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  •  I remember Powell and My Lai. (1+ / 0-)
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    At least there were trials of SOME of the people involved in the murders. Medina got off, IIRC, but Calley went to prison. Imperfect justice, but at least the attempt was made. Obama thinks it's wrong to even do that.

    I don't remember it being so cut and dried with Colby. I certainly don't recall him going on national television and saying, "Sure, we tortured those guys."

    I do vaguely remember reading in some liberal magazine about Colby, and of course I believe it (as I believe the CNN story, Operation Tailwind).

    But I think we have reached a new low when you have one administration torturing people to death and the next administration not only not prosecuting, as required by the supreme law of the land (i.e., a ratified treaty),  but trying to marginalize people who advocate prosecution. Obama thinks that people like me are backward looking "folks" just looking for retribution.

    I find that offensive.

    Yes, I do live where there are better choices. The worst major party in the country where I live, the most conservative one, is far, far better (more liberal) than the Democratic Party in the U.S. on pretty much every issue. Europe is like that.

    A really terrible thing has happened to the U.S. When someone like Obama can be praised by liberals for "transforming the country," I think it's passed a tipping point. I don't see any way out for the U.S.

    I'll vote (though not for Obama) and I'll contribute to specific candidates who share my values (or enough of them), and I will hope I'm wrong about the future.

    You and I may disagree about Obama, but I think we'd want most of the same things for the country -- affordable health care, a more equitable distribution of wealth, sustainable environmental policies, peace, civil rights for all, and so on. I think most of the people here, whichever side they are on when it comes to Obama, also want most of the same things for the country. And if there is hope, it's because of all these people working for these goals in different ways.

    Dump Obama: So immoral and unethical that he ignores his legal obligation to prosecute people who tortured prisoners to death. Good at photo ops, though.

    by expatjourno on Sat Jul 17, 2010 at 02:00:25 PM PDT

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    •  right the Calley was convicted (0+ / 0-)

      Just like in Abu Ghraib, they busted the low level people. If that's enough to make you happy, you should be happy.

      •  I didn't say it made me happy, did I? (0+ / 0-)

        It's just a fuckofalot more than Obama will even attempt.

        Dump Obama: So immoral and unethical that he ignores his legal obligation to prosecute people who tortured prisoners to death. Good at photo ops, though.

        by expatjourno on Sat Jul 17, 2010 at 02:13:32 PM PDT

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        •  the low level torture guys were already (0+ / 0-)

          convicted. nothing to do.

          "rule of law" restored to normal.

          •  Nope. Not even that. (0+ / 0-)

            You really ought to acquaint yourself with the basic facts.

            Dump Obama: So immoral and unethical that he ignores his legal obligation to prosecute people who tortured prisoners to death. Good at photo ops, though.

            by expatjourno on Sat Jul 17, 2010 at 02:24:25 PM PDT

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