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    •  Exactly given how many Americans oppose (2+ / 0-)
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      ...this stupid Afghanistan party.

      Obama appears to have made a deal with Gates a.k.a. "The Bush Man in the White House" a.k.a. Mr. MIC that they would keep fighting the Afghan war while trying to get military spending under control.

      He's appeased Bush in many ways with his failure to investigate torture or hold anyone accoutable, his escalation in Afghanistan, his expansion of unConstitutional detention policies and extra-judicial assassination, and his general predilection toward augmentiong "Top Secret America."

      Was this a wise political move given what Bush, Rumsfeld, et al did to Carter?

      I don't know.  We shall see.  But I bet they're discussing some ways Obama can help the Bushes up in Bar Harbor.

      Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

      by maxschell on Mon Jul 19, 2010 at 05:27:24 PM PDT

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      •  My Limbaugh/Beck-loving in-laws want us out (4+ / 0-)

        of Afghanistan ... on the basis that "no invader has ever 'won' in Afghanistan". Which shocked me - a rational argument previously voiced by liberals?

        I can't bear to listen to or even research Limbaugh/Beck so I don't know if my in-laws are (as usual) parrotting the opinions they're told to have, but I've never seen them think for themselves, so I'd just bet that hate radio is now anti-war-in-Afghanistan.

        •  It's funny how quickly these jokers... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...change their tune.

          Which goes to show that for Republicans, it's all about them.  They have no notion of America's national interests.  If their team isn't in power, they will stop at nothing to destroy their opponents.

          There are at least still a few Democrats who believe in what's good for our country.

          Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

          by maxschell on Mon Jul 19, 2010 at 05:59:49 PM PDT

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      •  WTF are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

        We no longer waterboard, or torture at all, and the last prison has been handed back to Iraq's control.  No American has been detained unConstitutionally.  "Extra-judicial assassination"?  Excuse me?  What evidence do you have that he's a murderer?  But you say he's appeased Bush?  Excuse me!  WTF are you Obama-hating Dem's talking about?

        "There's really nothing I want out of the past except history." - Autoegocrat

        by rainmanjr on Mon Jul 19, 2010 at 06:03:56 PM PDT

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        •  Link to Obama's assassination program (3+ / 0-)

          Obama's Assassination Program - NY Times and Wapo articles are also linked here

          And if it's true, it is certainly unConstitutional if he is targeting American citizens.

          Start doing some reading please.  Google is your friend.

          Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

          by maxschell on Mon Jul 19, 2010 at 06:12:04 PM PDT

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        •  Obama has also refused... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...to hold anyone accountable for the torture program that was admitted by Bush, Cheney et al.

          Oh and BTW Obama is arguing that it's OK to detain people indefinitely and without due process at Bagram Air Force base in Afghanistan.

          Send your old shoes to the new George W. Bush library.

          by maxschell on Mon Jul 19, 2010 at 06:14:43 PM PDT

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          •  NYT and WaPo are your evidence? (0+ / 0-)

            "If it's true" then it's entirely out of sync for everything we know about Obama.  Capitol Punishment is not only something Dem's don't believe in but without historical evidence to Obama's character.  He has gone out of his way, and political good, to attempt having combatants tried in an American court.  I don't believe he's assassinating anyone for a minute.
            He didn't openly prosecute anyone for torture, true.  I'm sure they paid a price for doing so but it wasn't public.  That was a disappointment but, again, it would have been a political negative to do so.  The agents didn't give the order to torture but they did follow that order.  I was in the military and followed many orders that I didn't like.  It's a grey area.  But, by keeping his political clout, we got a health insurance and financial reform bill (as well as many others).
            Bill Clinton gave away his political clout for the rights of military gays to serve openly.  A noble cause but we lost the 1993 Congress over it and many legislative opportunities...and gays fared no better for the effort.  That should inform you of why Obama chose to not prosecute agents for a grey area.
            Yes, we should prosecute Dick.  It's questionable whether we could successfully prosecute Shrub and, if he was declared innocent, we might be the losers.
            Politics is a game of opportunity.  You do what you can and stay away from fights that cost you those opportunities.  Sad?  Absolutely.  Fact?  Absolutely.  We can't deny facts or run away from them.

            "There's really nothing I want out of the past except history." - Autoegocrat

            by rainmanjr on Mon Jul 19, 2010 at 09:42:37 PM PDT

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