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  •  I would be very surprised if the immigration (0+ / 0-)

    reform (if it happens any time soon) interpreted 'family' differently from DOMA until DOMA is overturned. Immigration reform is already a big lift, adding to it normalization of treatment of LGBT families would probably be too much. Of course, it's a great idea to pressure Dem candidates on this issue and distribute primary support/donations accordingly. I just feel like this law will need to be done separately.

    •  Why? Why should we be separate? (5+ / 0-)
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      What is so scary, oogie boogie bad about queers that we have to be 'separate'? We are citizens, we are immigrants, we are in the military and in cubicles and in the fucking halls of power, but we are still separate and that is the problem right there. We allow ourselves to be 'separated' and now we stand alone.

      The idea that the normalization of (depending on whose numbers you use) 5%-10% of the population via the repeal of DOMA and DADT, the passage of ENDA and UAFA is 'too much' is just laughable. We aren't even a majority but we can apparently bring the entire world to a screeching halt. If only we had that much power.

      We are tired of being separate and second class and ignored and we aren't going to be quiet any more.

      •  It's not about what should be done. You're (1+ / 0-)
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        right, gays shouldn't be treated as second-class citizens. I just don't see how legalization of decent treatment of GLBT folks can be combined with immigration reform from a political point of view. It's taking two necessary but relatively unpopular bills and combining them. The combination will likely have fewer votes than either of the two bills.

    •  I think the politics support this assessment (6+ / 0-)

      I just feel like this law will need to be done separately.

      But I also suspect the only way to move Congress on a standalone bill that offers relief to 30K will be large scale civil disobedience actions.

      Standalone LGBT bills don't move in Congress (and UAFA is a prime example). They just don't serve enough constiutents to warrant a spot on the calendar.

      But if a mess is made, they may move to move the story out of the headlines and stop the heckling at their fundraisers.

      Trickle down Equality isn't working

      by Scott Wooledge on Tue Jul 20, 2010 at 11:53:51 AM PDT

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