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  •  Where you went to school (5+ / 0-)

    really isn't very useful as a hiring criterion, at least more than a few years out.  So I don't care per se that that's fairly far down on the list (of course, having physical attractiveness be up there is a problem, but I wouldn't mind if #8 was where you went to school and #9 was appearance).

    I hired someone from MIT who was great.  I hired someone from a state school who was probably one of the two best engineers I ever had when I was a manager.  Of my graduating class at MIT, I'd consider hiring maybe 20% of the computer science majors (the rest were just in it because it was the hot field at the time).  I've had outstanding experiences with people from Northeastern, which at the time wasn't a prestigious school.  I helped hire someone who apparently didn't even graduate from college and we never knew if s/he even went (there was nothing on either the resume or the application), but the person was a fine engineer (and very senior) nonetheless.

    What I can't believe is that communication isn't way up there.  Particularly at a large company, communication is almost more important than basic functional skill.  A good, sound engineer with excellent communication skills is worth far more to me than an uber-hacker who can't (or won't) communicate well.  And that's even if they never interact with customers.

    •  Oh boy. Let's not even get into degree snobs when (4+ / 0-)

      hiring. One of the WORST managers I ever had had a MBA from a very "prestigious" CA school. Dude could not spell to save his ass, always loved getting his emails. Had a frat boy attitude at all times. BUT - he had an MBA. He was golden.

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      by mrsgoo on Fri Jul 23, 2010 at 07:34:02 PM PDT

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    •  I had a problem with the school question too. (3+ / 0-)

      Because it's not really accurate to say that looks were ranked higher than education when the category was "where a candidate went to school."  I suspect most employers don't care whether you went to the University of California, California State University, Ohio State University, the University of Kentucky (if it exists), or whatever, as long as you have a bachelor's degree in a relevant field.  If you show up with a degree from Harvard, I'm sure they'll be impressed, but most employers probably don't see that very often.  For many positions in management, accounting, IT, etc., the employer just wants you to have a bachelor's degree.  Where you went to school is usually irrelevant.

      •  You'd be surprised... (0+ / 0-)

        what I've heard some managers and HR folks say about "top tier" schools and the like...they want to use that as a first pass filter.

        And to be honest, when I'm looking to hire someone for a midlevel or senior position, whether they even have a degree of any kind doesn't matter any more; it's a matter of demonstrated accomplishment by that point.  Unfortunately, HR often cares, and if HR doesn't like someone I'm not likely to ever see their resume (other than through personal contacts -- an important channel).

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