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  •  I appreciate your gung ho spirit (0+ / 0-)

    I'm just not there. Everyone is a "we" as long as they need "us" for something.

    He's not me.

    Language is wine upon the lips. -Virginia Woolf

    by valadon on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 03:15:02 AM PDT

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    •  But he is though (0+ / 0-)

      and that may be the untouchable nexus - where we're not only trying to convince all poor/less privileged folks who go right that we're in it together, but we've also got work to do on the left.  

      •  The problem is (3+ / 0-)
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        and the bottom line is that the Congress and the White House are not acting like they're in this together with us.  We can be the most effective people in the history of the world but the fact of the matter is that if the people we elected are working against us we'll get nowhere.

        I really enjoyed Van's speech and I related to almost all of it.  But there was a really big gaping hole in it -- the hard work and ideas and hope are fruitless if the establishment is still working against you, if you have not been effective in influencing them.  And Van himself is the prime example of that.  And that's the very sad irony of his speech.

        But yeah, we keep trying.  What other choice do we have?  

        I just hope Van is using his connections to try to get through to the administration, and not just trying to influence the blogosphere.  Because his efforts would be much better spent in trying to get them to listen to the people who elected them instead of listening to the Rubinite advisors who already took us down the road to hell before in the 90s.

        •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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          and I don't think anything about this dynamic is new and yet we still have to keep pushing forward.

          This isn't the first time the powerful have aligned against the masses, it would be news if it was.  Do I think they have a new tool in their shed? Yep, the President of the USA is Black.  But my main point is to keep working because 20 and 50 years from now if their tactics didn't work to demoralize us, we will understand the changes better.  

        •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

          and the bottom line is that the Congress and the White House are not acting like they're in this together with us.  We can be the most effective people in the history of the world but the fact of the matter is that if the people we elected are working against us we'll get nowhere.

          Language is wine upon the lips. -Virginia Woolf

          by valadon on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 03:31:51 PM PDT

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