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  •  the media already decided he's made a "gaffe." (9+ / 0-)

    it won't matter what the actual substance was, which is quite unfortunate.

    •  History will judge otherwise. (10+ / 0-)

      He is a great President, notwithstanding the flaws that make him thoroughly human.

    •  Ed Henry is just trying to get a name. (4+ / 0-)
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    •  Are Americans now so illiterate they cannot (25+ / 0-)

      parse a simple sentence?

      Obama speaks very precisely, without unnecessary cant, and does not say things he doesn't mean. I suppose that's why the media can't understand him at all.

      He stated very clearly that Muslims, like people of other faiths, have the right to build houses of worship where they please in respectful consultation with their immediate neighbors. That consultation has already been taken. No zoning laws are being violated.

      Obama did not venture an opinion as to whether he thought the location they chose was "wise." That is not his affair. It would be presumptuous of him to offer an opinion on this (just as it is presumptous of Sarah Palin to editorialize on it).

      He is not "walking something back." There is nothing to "spin" here.

      •  Exactly! He better hurry up and reform education. (2+ / 0-)
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      •  What you see as a virtue (3+ / 0-)
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        I see as a weakness...

        Obama did not venture an opinion as to whether he thought the location they chose was "wise."

        When you enter the fray, to give credence to those who say it is unwise is not my vision of leadership.  But again, I like holding the people I voted for to a high standard.  But I guess for some, political concerns, take precedence over pricipled concerns.

        "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

        by justmy2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 09:09:39 PM PDT

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        •  I want a President who defends the (0+ / 0-)

          Constitution, not a President who feels compelled to weigh in on whether the exercise of a right is really
          "wise" or "provocative."

          If it's a legal right, that should settle the matter. Further arguments as to whether or not exercise of that right is wise or dangerous UNDERMINES the absolute authority of that right. I'm glad the President has chosen not to legitimate that kind of discourse.

          Authoritarian bullying should be left to the Wingnuts.

    •  Some on the Left have, sadly, bought into this... (12+ / 0-)

      ...as being a "gaffe".  It's a shame, really, because there is a simple rule at play here:

      It doesn't matter whether you are the President of the Younited Staytz or some grumpy federal manager of wild public lands or the lead barista at the local outlet of some Seattle-based coffee hegemony.  The simple fact is that there are laws, rules, and regulations in both your world and the worlds of others that must be honored.  The appropriate local  jurisdiction made a ruling as to whether or not the Center should be allowed; it is not appropriate for anyone who doesn't have have any sort of overriding regulatory power (a concept with which that I realize many wingnut Republicans can't come to grips) to cast a vote either for or against the permitted activity...

      Obama made a strong moral and legal argument for the premise of Cordoba House in his Ramadan speech;  whether he personally agrees or disagrees with New York's decision is - to some degree - beside the point...

      "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

      by Jack K on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 08:44:30 PM PDT

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      •  Gibbs gets another point. (3+ / 0-)
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      •  I don't judge the President on the fact (2+ / 0-)
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        that he understand the law...if he believes everything he said in the speech, and simulataneous thinks there is something wrong with building a mosque anywhere in NYC, then he is not the man I thought he was.

        whether he personally agrees or disagrees with New York's decision is - to some degree - beside the point...

        Actually, it is the entire point.  Does he think that there is any valid reason to not build there outside of the law?  Or has he bought into fear of Muslims in the neighborhood?

        "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

        by justmy2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 09:17:50 PM PDT

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        •  Where did you get this? (5+ / 0-)
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          thinks there is something wrong with building a mosque anywhere in NYC,

          Obama quote count - "Hold my feet to the fire" (3) - "Help me work for a better America" (137) --- [Phony numbers, real message]

          by BobTrips on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 09:47:46 PM PDT

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          •  from this... (1+ / 0-)
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            "I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding," he said.

            I will readily admit that I am making an assumption.

            If he wasn't...then what is his position.  This sounds like the I am against same sex marriage but I believe Prop 8 is unconstitutional.

            No I seriously doubt, that in this case it is his position.  But he has now opened that door, but more likely he has created unnecessary ambiguity out of political expediency, which is on of my biggest frustrations with this WH.  What position is not open to compromise?  

            Tell me one?  

            "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

            by justmy2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 11:43:34 PM PDT

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            •  "Making an asumption"... (0+ / 0-)

              Pffffffftttttttttt....

              Making up stuff is more like it.

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              What is his position?

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              On building mosques and "that" mosque...

              President Obama supports the Constitution and what it guarantees concerning freedom of religion.  

              He declines to state his position on that specific building site.  

              Period.

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              On gay marriage...

              President Obama personally does not support gay marriage.  

              He believes that Prop 8 is unconstitutional.  

              Period.

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              There is absolutely no, zero, nada, zilch ambiguity or compromise in those positions.

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              President Obama has, as far as I know, presented no reasons for his belief, that seems to be something personal which he has not shared.  

              Personally, I don't see "not supporting" as the same as "being opposed to".  I see nothing in his behavior which indicates that he opposes the gay marriage.

              Obama quote count - "Hold my feet to the fire" (3) - "Help me work for a better America" (137) --- [Phony numbers, real message]

              by BobTrips on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 12:12:00 AM PDT

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              •  Are you saying he supports gay marriage? (0+ / 0-)

                Or did you make a mistake late at night...

                I want to make sure I understand your point before I response.

                "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

                by justmy2 on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 06:08:09 AM PDT

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                •  It was late at night... (0+ / 0-)

                  When I wrote...

                  President Obama personally does not support gay marriage.

                  And then you asked...

                  Are you saying he supports gay marriage?

                  In the light of day can you understand what I wrote?

                  Obama quote count - "Hold my feet to the fire" (3) - "Help me work for a better America" (137) --- [Phony numbers, real message]

                  by BobTrips on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 08:51:03 AM PDT

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            •  As to the wisdom of building a mosque there, (0+ / 0-)

              I can't comment either. Who knows whether some right wing kook will blow up the building and it will turn out to be perhaps an "unwise" decision. Or perhaps, I hope, it will be a place of interfaith discussion and learning and will help change some people's minds about Islam and therefore be a "wise" decision.

              But beyond anyone deciding whether a certain decision is wise or unwise before the ramifications are seen is the fact that it is not the duty of the POTUS to decide for local officials what to do.

              What I do know is that the people have the  right to build the mosque there and I support that right. And so does the President.

              •  Deciding for officials...is not the same (0+ / 0-)

                as taking a position.  

                The President statement on Friday spoke for itself.  Yesterday, he decided to create ambiguity.

                I am disappointed that people are now seemingly falling into the trap that they only have a "right".  

                There is no credible reason to object the building the mosque.  None.  Zero. Zilch.

                And what I see now is people who were all for it Friday, now reverting to a claim that they just have a right, and it is not appropriate to take sides.

                Sometimes it is appropriate to take sides.  No one is asking anyone to force anyone to make a decision.  But to state the fear of religion or Islam is only increased by this backlash, and we are not doing ourselves anywhere.

                If he was going to wade in, he knew he would be asked to take a side.  The current position is too cute by half.

                "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

                by justmy2 on Sun Aug 15, 2010 at 06:15:28 AM PDT

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            •  The Prezident (0+ / 0-)

              took exactly the same position as Anthony Weiner.

              The constitutional right of White Supremists to free speech in support of their cause, does not mean that I agree with that free speech as being morally correct.

              See the difference.

        •  Nope. Sorry to say, but... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...this is a local land use decision captured by right wingers for political gain.  Now, all of a sudden (and perhaps by wingnut design, courtesy of the MSM), the whole world wants to know just exactly what Barack Obama thinks about building some sort of Islamic center within reasonable walking distance of the site of the World Trade Center...

          Aside from the creation of obvious opportunities to engage in all sorts of hand-wringing twitterpating all across the political spectrum, any opinion that Obama may have about this issue is simply that - an opinion - unless he wants to call up the National Guard to enforce his opinion.  I thought he was pretty clear and explicit in his Ramadan speech; apparently I've become to old and simple-minded for what this game has turned into...  

          "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

          by Jack K on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 10:19:33 PM PDT

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          •  No...everyone thought they knew.. (0+ / 0-)

            Until the President stated he was not speaking to its wisdom of his own volition...

            So now, yes, I am now forced to wonder...and it was unnecessary...

            "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

            by justmy2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 11:46:10 PM PDT

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