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  •  Not the point. (4+ / 0-)
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    Argyrios, Bonsai66, ETF, JL

    What President said should've been a no-brainer under normal circumstances but these aren't normal circumstances with one out of every two liberal opposing the mosque at that site. This may very well have a political fallout. Also keep in mind that Obama opposed SB1070, a law that has majority support. These aren't easy political decisions.

    •  One out two "liberals"? (1+ / 0-)
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      greeseyparrot

      Name names.

      Oh and this is not about SB1070, it's about the weak knees.

      •  It is the CNN poll. (3+ / 0-)
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        murrayewv, Bonsai66, QES

        Nearly 50% of self-identified liberals are opposed to the mosque at that location. What weak knees? You are projecting your weakness onto Obama, dude. I can fucking guarantee that you will not and cannot take this stand in your life and job. I fucking guarantee that your Democratic congressman will not take stand on this issue.

        •  what stand? (2+ / 0-)
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          Sydserious, LaEscapee

          That they should build the mosque?  Speak for yourself.

          I would take that position everyday of the week.  The more people interact and show tolerance, the less powerful Al Qaeda becomes.  This actually gives them a talking point.

          I don't understand your argument.  Are you saying that I should move away from the logical and moral position because I am scared of what my co-workers or some RW wackos islamaphobes will say.

          I will save that for Democrats...and apparently the President if I am to believe the position many are purporting he has here to say this isn't a walkback.

          "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

          by justmy2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 08:31:57 PM PDT

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          •  Well, let us apply (1+ / 0-)
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            Bonsai66

            the same test on you. How far are you going to do on this issue? What shape will this stand take? I'm guessing you'll be making same arguments that Obama made. What extra steps are you going to take on Monday at work on this issue? Let us know.

        •  Point by point (0+ / 0-)

          Nearly 50% of self-identified liberals are opposed to the mosque at that location.

          Polls are so accurate, just saying that is accurate gess which side of the line I fall on.

          I'm not even going to address the weak kneed part of your comment and if you think about you'll realize why.

          I can fucking guarantee that you will not and cannot take this stand in your life and job.

          Have and do. So much for the "guarantee".

          I fucking guarantee that your Democratic congressman will not take stand on this issue.

          Don't have a democratic congressman. That's three strikes.

    •  which is the point (2+ / 0-)
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      if you are going to say something with political fallout, why only go halfway and repeat the basics.  That is politically stupid.  The option of staying out of it was there.  To join the fray by making the most muted statement possible, which is what people are trying to portray no in an effort to refute the "walkback" claim, is the worst of all worlds.

      People lauded him last night for doing exactly what you are saying, taking a tough political stand.  But the statement today either clarifies or walks back the statement to make it seem like he was trying to not take any stance.

      That is fine, but I don't celebrate that.  I think it demonstrates a failure to lead if that was the goal.

      I prefer to think he was making a more forceful statement, and is now taking heat from Dems and trying to protect them.  I don't like that either, but it is more acceptable than saying "I don't have a position".  If you don't, stay out of it.  Politically, and principally.

      "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

      by justmy2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 08:28:30 PM PDT

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      •  He took a stand. Like I've (3+ / 0-)
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        mentioned before there isn't a forceful stand that President can take without wedging himself into an issue that he has no business getting into. One more important point that you and other so-called progressives usually miss- this isn't about you. This is about all the anti-Muslim hysteria generated by the rightwing and Obama was speaking to the Muslims. If you know any muslims then ask them what their take is on this whole issue and I seriously doubt you'll hear any negative reaction.

        •  First...I would caution you on assuming people's (2+ / 0-)
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          religious beliefs...it is just bad form.  I would also submit that you probably shouldn't assume who someone has spoken to in the past day.

          If you know any muslims then ask them what their take is on this whole issue and I seriously doubt you'll hear any negative reaction.

          I submit that you are very wrong....
          Ali Abunimah

          If Obama is just upholding the First Amendment, that is certainly commendable, but let us not pretend he is adding very much to the debate or taking a particularly courageous stand. Has it really come to this that we stand in awe when the President of the United States says he supports the most basic tenets of the Bill of Rights? (I guess so since so many others are flouted). But in fact very few people have challenged the right of the Cordoba Initiative to build its community center on the property it owns in lower Manhattan. The ADL's Abe Foxman acknowledged that right and even Sarah Palin did not challenge the right.

          What the critics are engaged in is collective vilification, delegitimization and incitement against Muslims in the United States and they are doing it  deliberately and for political purposes. This is what needs to be recognized and confronted and sadly I do not see the president or any other senior politicians in the United States doing that. As midterm elections approach this November, I predict the level of anti-Muslim incitement is going to increase even beyond what we already see. Who is going to stand up to it?

          Given that it has apparently taken Obama less than 24 hours to retreat from his relatively mild and obvious statements last night, forgive me if I am underwhelmed by what came out of the president's mouth after weeks as a bystander to very ugly, escalating and spreading racism. It's even worse than that -- just a few days ago, the  White House actually said that the anti-Muslim incitement in this country is within the bounds of reasonable discourse and was not "dangerous." I beg to differ. It is dangerous and if people do not stand up to it I fear that there will be more violence targeting Muslims, such as the bombing of a mosque in Florida a few months ago.

          Muslims may have the legal freedom to exercise their religion in the US -- and they do despite increasing efforts to use laws and regulations to prevent the building of mosques -- but what is that freedom worth if they live in a climate of increasing fear, vilification and hatred?

          This is not isolated.  From what I have read so far...he would have been better off remaining silent.

          Leave DailyKos for a moment...and you will see that the argument that "he was just asserting that it is constitutional" is coming off as worse than staying out of it.

          "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

          by justmy2 on Sat Aug 14, 2010 at 08:47:15 PM PDT

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