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  •  Hasn't America gotten over race/religion yet? (1+ / 0-)
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    Mets102

    I haven't lived in the U.S. for about 25 years and one of the things people ask me about is racism in America.

    President Obama's election did a lot to end these questions.

    Whenever I am asked I always say that racism is more or less over in America but now it seems I might have been wrong.

    I hope I am not.

    the diaries that time put in a safe place

    by InAntalya on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 05:25:54 PM PDT

    •  Well it isn't like.. (7+ / 0-)

      ....Obama's election eliminated racism.  If anything, his election and the prospect of a post-racial America have accentuated the appeal of overt racism within conservative white circles, and have even had an impact on otherwise liberal and progressive candidates who hope to exploit white resentment (witness the recent Wall Street Op Ed by Senator Webb, which includes a reference to "hard working whites," much as then-senator Clinton did during the 2008 primary).  

      But these overt appeals are not working in Cohen's district, so it isn't like this is a growing trend.  Moreover, as I said above, he represents one of two districts where a non-black person represents a black majority congressional district.  This can work in maybe two places, and it isn't very different from the problems that Obama ran into in his original failed congressional run, the charge that he wasn't "black enough" to represent the district.  

      "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

      by Alec82 on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 05:32:10 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think it can ever be fully eliminated but (3+ / 0-)
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        I always believed, wanted to believe, that it had dimished drastically.

        Do you think this 'appeal of overt racism within conservative white circles' is going to pass quickly and without much damage being done to America?  

        the diaries that time put in a safe place

        by InAntalya on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 05:38:01 PM PDT

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        •  I think the appeals as overt as we've seen are (4+ / 0-)

          almost done with because of how much bad publicity is starting to build up from it.  Unfortunately, the more subtle appeals to racism are going to remain for the foreseeable future IMO.  They've been a staple of GOP campaigning ever since Nixon used the Southern Strategy in 1968, and there are still unfortunately plenty of racists left out there for this crap to appeal to.

        •  Well no (3+ / 0-)
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          Radical def, Mets102, InAntalya

          Do you think this 'appeal of overt racism within conservative white circles' is going to pass quickly and without much damage being done to America?  

          I don't.  I agree in parts with Mets below; they would have used sexism had it been Senator Clinton who won, and they are attempting to have it both ways, distancing themselves from appeals to overt racism while still, you know, making those appeals.

          The problem is that there are demographic trends that indicate by about 2050 or so whites will be a plurality in the US, not an outright majority.  This will be coupled with a growing social liberalism and an increase in interracial and interethnic marriages.  As they witness themselves losing political control, they are likely to see more benefits to those appeals, as whites (at least, conservative whites) come to see themselves as a minority group under siege.  

          I mean, I really cannot say what is going to happen in the long run, but I see it as working well in some districts, causing a backlash in others and probably avoided at the national level.  

          "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

          by Alec82 on Sat Jul 24, 2010 at 05:45:28 PM PDT

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          •  I agree with you Alec that the appeals will (3+ / 0-)
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            Alec82, Radical def, FiredUpInCA

            keep on coming.  However, as the parties realize that in order to win elections nationally they won't be able to have that baggage they'll become more and more subtle so that those targeted will simply read between the lines (for example, when a candidate pledges to support "law and order" this is often one of those appeals that one really only needs to read between the lines to understand what is happening).

        •  There's been a vast improvement (2+ / 0-)
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          I don't think it can ever be fully eliminated but (3+ / 0-)

          I always believed, wanted to believe, that it had dimished drastically.

          I don't think this country was ready racially to elect a black President back in the 1990s. So the fact that a black named Barack Hussein Obama resides in the White House is evidence of a vast improvement.

          It will never completely be eliminated and new rivalries will emerge to replace the old ones. But the election was symbolic that a certain mindset was not able to intimidate or influence the vast majority of people.

      •  I think the best evidence of that is everything (5+ / 0-)

        that's been happening with the tea parties and how some of them are now trying to distance themselves from the racism.  They'd be opposed to anything any Democrat elected to the White House does (along with any Congressional Democratic leadership).

        It's simply that they resort to old-fashioned racism because the president happens to be African American.  I have no doubt that if HRC had won instead it would have been sexism that was most-prevalent.  These are simply bigoted people that can't accept democracy and the repudiation of the philosophy of the Bush-Cheney administration by the electorate.

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