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  •  I hope that changes soon. (6+ / 0-)

    But you're right -- it's a tough position to take, especially now that corporations are people, too...

    •  Americans are decades (a century) away (4+ / 0-)
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      from being that mature.

      The ONLY way they will reduce their consumption is when the price increases.  If only we could price it at its true cost -- whatever that real cost is, I'm convinced that with current technologies, oil and coal aren't cheaper than renewables.  

      "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

      by Marie on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 07:53:42 PM PDT

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      •  And just imagine... (4+ / 0-)
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        ...if we hadn't torn down, or let rot, the massive amount of walkable communities and streetcar systems we once had all over the US.

        Include the inevitable price of rebuilding those (in much shabbier fashion no doubt, considering today's so-called "architectural" trends) in the real price of what oil's cost us, as well.

        "My country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world." - Eugene Debs

        by JayinPortland on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 08:10:52 PM PDT

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        •  Yes -- OTOH, if Americans (4+ / 0-)
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          can so easily be convinced that a crappy house with a useless patch of grass that is only an hour's drive from work is to be desired, they'll buy almost anything.  Sure wish someone was selling what we need.

          "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

          by Marie on Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 08:16:28 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, it's a travesty (3+ / 0-)
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          and it's so much harder to rebuild or restructure once you have a car infrastructure in place. Since you can't just evict an entire town to rebuild in a sensible way, the rebuilding is often happening in very fragmented, piecemeal ways. Putting in one bike lane here and tram line there often doesn't do the trick to really connect communities in a sensible way and build access by proximity. And so the greedy developers are always at an advantage because they can just poo poo every little effort as uneconomic or whatever. But we've got to take the little steps to turn things around, we have no other choice. For example, in Berkeley we just got approval to daylight a creek and turn a major block between university and downtown into a pedestrian zone. It took years and countless city council meetings to finally get it approved, and it'll take more years to get it actually built. And this is just one friggin block, in supposed hippie haven Berkeley. BUT...once people see that it works and that it actually brings in business, there'll be more and at a faster rate. It's just the first steps that are always the hardest.

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