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  •  I guess I'll wait (none)
    Given this administration's well-known history and its affinity for using propaganda to spin false pictures, I'll wait a few days before I decide how the day went.

    I think it's a good thing that a vote happened.  If only a very few Iraqis turn out to have voted, or if the election simply brings to power those the U.S. wanted (e.g. was rigged, etc.), or if it results in civil war then I'll have to say that, on balance, not much was achieved except a relative one-day vacation from violence in Iraq.

    •  I honestly don't think this is about propaganda (4.00)
      I think this is desparation.  There seriously is no getting out of this for the Bushies until the security situation is solved--if 150,000 US troops can't do it, 200,000 Iraqi's will never.  They're hoping against hope this turns the tide before support for the War drops out completely--and it won't turn the tide.  Period.  They need to for once be honest with themselves and recognoze how long this is actually going to be and then be honest with America.  At least then we can democratically decide what to do.

      To his virtues be very kind, to his vices, very blind.

      by Descrates on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 08:48:49 AM PST

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      •  ...of course (none)

        A lot of the insurgents, probably most, are fighting the presence of foreigners on Iraqi soil.  Remove the main grievance, and the insurgency shrinks to proportions manageable by the Iraqis themselves.  
    •  Propaganda (none)
      Of course it's the typical propaganda.  And the MSM will swallow it whole, as they almost always do.  Sunni turnout will be light.  And the stage will be set for a second Shite Islamic Republic and a possible full fledged civil war.  So, tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of people died, include U.S. servicemen, to transform Iraq from a one-man dictatorship into Iran.

      Democrats must confront the cultural populism of the wedge issues with genuine economic populism. Thomas Frank.

      by Paleo on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 09:12:38 AM PST

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