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  •  You are demented then... (3.75)
    "Would you be willing to trade great success in Iraq for the fact that Bush would be lauded as a visionary for the rest of your lives? Try it."

    Ok.  Let's see.  The premise of your question is simple.  First we must assume that these elections will somehow make Iraq a 'great success'.  After 100,000+ dead.  After the torture chambers at Abu Ghraib.  After American soldiers dying in the thousands and crippled in the tens of thousands.  After the good name of our country dragged through the sewers around the world.  After Bush lied his way into an unnecessary war of aggression.  After the chaos and violence and a whole new generation of terrorists visited upon this land where civilization began.

    After all this, you wish us to assume for the sake of argument that these elections could somehow undue all of this and thus render George. W. Bush a 'visionary' for the rest of our lives.

    Well, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to play your demented game.  The conclusion does not follow from the premise.  Non-sequitur.

    "... the Republicans have fucked reality so hard they need a physics professor to straighten them out." -- hamletta

    by manyoso on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 08:40:18 AM PST

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    •  Someday this hell in Iraq is going to end (none)
      No war goes on forever, and someday, somehow, this one will wind down and end.  People will stop getting killed, our soldiers will come home.

      But this is not a sign of success, it just means that it's finally over.  In no way does this vindicate this administration's policy of pre-emption in the face of very shaky evidence, and in no way does it vindicate all the atrocities committed during the war.

      The Vietnam war did not finally become right when it ended, and neither will this one.

    •  Point taken (none)
      Anyone fair will know that it is the Iraqis who took the opportunity which George Bush handed them and then spectacularly screwed up.

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