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  •  thought control (none)
    If a freeper might think it, then you can't think it.  Got it.  I was confused at first about who's calling the shots here.  For a minute I thought it was us.
    •  You can think anything you want (none)
      ...and I didn't claim otherwise.  

      But you don't have the right to expect everyone to agree with you, or accept your position.

      Or, for that matter, to refrain from calling you a troll, if that's really what you are.

      Please don't be overdramatic.

      •  Heh n/t (none)

        "Just say no to torture." -Semi-Anonymous Blogger.

        by Armando on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 10:54:31 PM PST

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      •  over dramatic (none)
        I suggested that calling someone a troll for writing something you disapprove of is an over-reaction, and you call that over dramatic?  Or was it my reaction to your suggeting that troll calling is an appropriate reaction to anyone who says something that might sound like something said by a freeper?
        •  First of all... (none)
          ...I did not call anyone a "troll".  Second, I did not and would not do that simply for "writing something I disapprove of".  I noted that the original poster might be trolling because the content of the original post looked like something a troll might write.  Namely, it looked to be something a wingnut might post merely to get a reaction.

          As I've also stated, I think I was probably wrong on that score, judging by other things the poster has written elsewhere.  But I don't apologize for suspecting that he or she was trolling here, based on the original post alone.  It was, in fact, rather inflammatory, and IMHO badly mischaracterized the sentiments and the motives at dKos regarding the Iraqi elections.

          Honest-to-goodness trolling does happen at dKos, you know, and it wastes everyone's time.  That's why there's a rating system that includes "troll" and "super-troll" as options...

          •  responding to trolls (none)
            I've been on sites pestered with trolls baiting readers on abortion, etc.  I've suggested pledging as a response--that is that each person responding to an abortion obsessed troll pledge to donate $5 to their local Planned Parnthood clinic each time they respond.  That way, something good actually comes of feeding the troll and the troll himself/herself gets twisted in knots about baiting others to respond.  As  for the comment you originally responded to, I've seen a lot of kossacks on yeterday's open threads struggling with similar uncertainties, though maybe not in such provocative language.  But I've seen a lot more provocative language passing for civil discourse on this site, not intended to challenge the prevailing wisdom, but rather to silence uncertainty and wavering.  I'm not thinking of your post in that category, which was pretty civil even if it did play the "troll" card.  My criticism of that was really an afterthought; the substance of my feelings was what I'd hoped would matter.  In that I miscalculated and so will shut up.
            •  I hope you don't (none)
              shut up, that is.

              I may disagree with you regarding this one thing, but you don't give up easily and it seems to me you want to advocate the free exchange of ideas.  It's pretty tough to argue against that :)

              •  Thanks (none)
                I was reading David Brock's Republican Noise Machine last night, and he compared the rationale for right-wing talk radio to the rationale for all jazz or all country stations.  People who tune in for jazz don't want to have country intrude, etc.  Even as he was deploringthis rationale pushing its way into the shpere of plitical speech, I was thinking to myseld that my own favorite stations are those that play good jazz ("Fables for Faubus"), good country ("There's a dark and a toubled side of life . . ."), good rock (But PowerCo couldn't cut Sun down/She was welded to the eagle's beak"), good reggae (Funky Kingston!), good hip-hop (The Miseducation of . . .), etc.  None of this means I want to see freepers on dKos--check the word "good" above--but that I want to see the full exchange of thoughtful ideas.  I'm glad we're on the same page about that.  Differences in rhetorical sensibility shouldn't obscure common interests.  (My own rhetorical sensibility derives in part from having lived long enough to have said a lot of things I wish I hadn't.  The word, once uttered, can never be recalled.  I've learned that the hard way too many times.  Maybe even this time!)

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