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    •  the only problem is that there IS no Filibuster (2+ / 0-)
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      Marie, Predictor

      rule to get rid of.

      You can read more about this here.


      Yes. It is true.

      There is no Filibuster rule.

      The word Filibuster is simply unlimited debate. Which no one in the US Senate has actually done in many, many years.

      The rule which people continue to (mistakenly) call "the Filibuster rule", is actually Senate Rule #22, and it is called the Cloture Rule.

      If kossacks can learn and understand the complex concepts involved in deep-water petroleum exploration, drilling and production (which I am happy to relate has happened, here in Orange Territory, over the past four months or so, with much credit given to Fishgrease) - then I am determined that kossacks can also learn about Cloture and Filibuster and the difference between the two.

      •  Fear not. If the Rs control 51 votes in the (3+ / 0-)

        Senate next term, the filibuster will be gone because they won't be able to pass anything either, if it stays, but in their case, the nuclear option may have attractions for the following two years. Can't repeal everything if you can't get the repeal to the flooor.

      •  Sigh (0+ / 0-)

        "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
           "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
           "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master      that’s all."

        •  while a cute reference to Fairy Tales (0+ / 0-)

          it is not applicable, when the thing that you are calling "A", is actually "b".

          The Cloture Rule is a real, current Standing Rule of the US Senate, Senate Rule #22.

          It is a procedural motion, to end debate and move to vote on the underlying Bill.

          The Filibuster, is simply a word used to describe the historically accepted practice of Unlimited Debate in a Congressional setting.

          There is a world of difference between the two.

          Even our leader, Markos, I see has fallen under the spell of the faux Filibuster meme.

          I wish that, as a community, elegant and descriptive language, to ensure clarity and that we are all actually talking about the same thing, was something to be proud to engage in, and not merely tossed aside as 'nit-picking'.

          •  We ARE talking about the same thing! (0+ / 0-)

            You want to be a word purist.  The fact of the matter is that the term 'filibuster' is now being used as a standin (as you so clearly point out by refering to Markos' diary) for Rule 22 and its effects.

            No amount of 'Winston tastes good as a cigarette should' carping is going to change the vernacular.

            In other words, you're tilting at windmills.  No only does Markos use the term that way, but plenty of other influential bloggers as well (see for example)

            •  no, we are not (0+ / 0-)

              I do not want to do away with Filibusters.

              I only want to do away with the requirement that a vote with 60 "Aye"s is necessary before and actual vote on the Bill under consideration is possible.

              I want to do away with, President Wilson once said,

              "A little group of willful men, representing no opinion but their own, have rendered the great government of the United States helpless and contemptible."

              thnks for the conversation, gotta run, but I'll check back later for a reply.

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