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  •  i like that (0+ / 0-)

    "not what we need but not nothing"

    "Daddy Daddy, I stepped on a rusty nail!  I need a tetanus shot!"

    "wel,, we don't have tetanus shots.  I'll put some ice on it and it will feel better."

    "But what about lockjaw and tetanus?"

    "Sigh-- look, I know ice isn't what we need, but it's also not nothing."

    i love this whole "at least we're not getting nothing" theme, as if we should be grateful to our sold-out, totally bought congress for doing the least they could do.

    Oh thank you for my crust of bread. at least it's not nothing.

    •  excellent summary of why some people are simply (2+ / 0-)
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      askew, FiredUpInCA

      incapable of working with others on practical solutions.

      AKA "if it's not perfect, it sucks".

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:26:19 AM PDT

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      •  Sigh... (1+ / 0-)
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        joanneleon

        It's not that it's not perfect. It's that while it might help a few Americans it helps the insurance companies a whole lot more.

        •   double sigh with a cherry on top (3+ / 0-)
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          askew, vadasz, FiredUpInCA

          the alternative (single payer, which I prefer) doesn't have the votes in the senate.

          Plain and simple, that's the reality we keep hitting up against. But we knew that going in. More realities here:

          When Can We Expect Health Care Reform (Whoever Wins)?

          a piece written in 2008.

          No one said you had to like it.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:41:35 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly, (2+ / 0-)
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            askew, FiredUpInCA

            but the benefits of this (understandably limited) health care reform will continue to become clear to more Americans - for example, those red state women voters mentioned above. As more Americans realize that hey, this new way of doing things is better than what we had before and hasn't robbed me of all my freedoms and does make life a bit easier for millions more Americans, then the atmosphere becomes saner and something like Single Payer starts to seem less threatening. When that happens, we will get the votes in Congress.

            But only if we can keep a Democratic hold on Congress and the White house for the next several election cycles.

            Nothing ever doesn't change, but nothing changes much. -OK Go

            by vadasz on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 10:01:13 AM PDT

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          •  that's true (1+ / 0-)
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            churchylafemme

            No one said you had to like it.

            true... but if the voters don't like it, they won't reward you for it on election day.

            again, the whole "well, it's better than nothing" slogan is not a winner. it's churlish and miserly, and more than a little condescending.

    •  Tetanus parable (2+ / 0-)
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      askew, vadasz

      There's this analogy about healthcare reform:

      i like that
         
      "not what we need but not nothing"

      "Daddy Daddy, I stepped on a rusty nail!  I need a tetanus shot!"

      "wel,, we don't have tetanus shots.  I'll put some ice on it and it will feel better."

      "But what about lockjaw and tetanus?"

      "Sigh-- look, I know ice isn't what we need, but it's also not nothing."

      i love this whole "at least we're not getting nothing" theme, as if we should be grateful to our sold-out, totally bought congress for doing the least they could do.

      Oh thank you for my crust of bread. at least it's not nothing.

      And then there's the actual reform:

      The law requires new health plans -- plans established on or after Sept. 23 -- to cover and eliminate copays, deductibles and coinsurance for preventive services rated "A" or "B" by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force. According to the law, new plans also will have to eliminate copays, deductibles and coinsurance for

         * routine vaccines, including standard vaccines recommended by the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices that range from routine childhood immunizations to periodic tetanus shots for adults

      http://www.aafp.org/...

      The reason that the tetanus parable does not work, is because 1) tetanus shots are covered by the new law and 2) the challenge of training new primary care physicians is nothing like needing a tetanus shot.

      •  nice one / nt (1+ / 0-)
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        askew

        Nothing ever doesn't change, but nothing changes much. -OK Go

        by vadasz on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 10:02:02 AM PDT

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      •  zing, but not (0+ / 0-)

        there's a buddist koan about the moon and the finger.

        by focusing on "tetanus is a bad example because the reforms include tetanus" you're looking at the finger.

        the point is that "it's not what we need, but it's something" makes no sense.

        perhaps a better example would be the car that runs out of gas, and when someone shows up to help all he has is a gas container filled with water.  It's not what we need, but it's something.

        are you seeing the moon yet?

        •  Still not quite right (2+ / 0-)
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          askew, vadasz

          Perhaps a better example would be the car that runs out of gas, and when someone shows up to help all he has is a gas container filled with water.  It's not what we need, but it's something.

          The challenge is we need to educate, train and employ more primary care physicians. The new healthcare reform helps, but it doesn't go far enough.

          A better example would be a car runs out of gas five miles short of its destination. Someone named Congress shows up with a gas container that can get the driver halfway there. They're going to have to push the rest of the way.

          HCR got us moving. We're going to have to push the rest of the way until we get more gas from Congress or an alternative source of energy from the private sector.

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