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  •  How So? (4.00)
    "I mean, I think we can all agree this is a step forward and toward something better . . ."

    The Kurds voted for a future independent state, the Shia voted for a state they will dominate (as Juan Cole has pointed out, the first Shia-dominated Arab nation ever), the Sunni Arabs didn't vote.  Almost four dozen Iraqis were killed in various attacks, along with 2 US soldiers, and at least 10 Brits were killed in a plane crash that marks the third time in 5 days that aircraft have crashed with loss of life.  That's too many mechanical problems in too short a period of time, in my view.  Throw in the fact that the US embassy was hit by a rocket that killed two and wounded eight - the guerillas seem to have taken it up a notch, while we can barely hold onto our increasingly precarious position.  Think they can do that without the at least tacit assistance of a lot of the people who voted yesterday?

    BTW, it's worth pointing out that the government voted into office in September 1967 rather quickly evolved into a dictatorship pretty much like all the non-elected ones South Vietnam had in its very brief history.  One of its most striking qualities was the lack of concern it displayed towards the needs and wishes of its patron.  Say what you will about it, call it corrupt, clumsy, and brutal, the Thieu junta was anything but a puppet regime.  Fortunately for LBJ and Nixon, its main concern was with defeating the Communists, and there were actually people willing to risk their lives to do that and work with us towards that end.  Can the same be said for whatever government arises out of this election?  Assuming that one ever does.

    "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

    by JJB on Mon Jan 31, 2005 at 06:09:42 AM PST

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    •  It now seems pretty clear that... (none)
      ...the British plane was shot down (there is a claim that insurgents shot it down as it was landing with an anti-tank rocket, and the British seem to agree that this is what happened, especially since it broke up in flight as opposed to staying intact until crashing, so the wreckage is scattered over a larger area instead of being in on place).  Haven't heard anything new about the two US helicopters that went down earlier.
      •  Special forces (none)
        In the British parliament questions are being asked about:
        the presence of SAS special forces on the plane
        the death of an Australian on the plane
        the presence of Americans on the plane

        If it was on a "black" mission do not expect too much to ever come out however

        •  It appears that the Australian was... (none)
          ...a member of the British air force (IE, he moved to Britian and joined the UK air force after establishing residency).  However, the mission of the plane was a bit sketchy, to say the least.

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