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  •  Reluctant to Remind (46+ / 0-)

    Daily Kos readers, who are demographically much richer, better educated and better employed than the general population, that this country has a problem supplying an adequate food supply for its people.

    "Simon Wiesenthal told me that any political party in a democracy that uses the word 'freedom' in its name is either Nazi or Communist."

    by bink on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 04:34:49 AM PDT

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    •  No it doesn't. (16+ / 0-)

      It has a problem distributing an adequate food supply for its people. The supply itself could feed the nation a few times over - particularly if the grains and corn being fed to animals now were instead devoted to feeding humans.

      There's no shortage of food in this country; it's just distributed very inequitably.

      What have you done for DC statehood today? Call your Rep and Senators and demand action.

      by mistersite on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 06:26:31 AM PDT

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      •  And processed into very cheap filling death-food. (10+ / 0-)

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 06:34:50 AM PDT

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      •  same thing (4+ / 0-)

        There's no shortage of food in this country; it's just distributed very inequitably

         that can be said of many places that have had riots and uprisings.

        (regarding the bank mess) They want to cure the patient but not deal with the disease.

        by dark daze on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:12:08 AM PDT

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      •  not correct (4+ / 0-)

        we do not have enough fresh fruits and vegetables to supply every person with the daily recommended amount.

        CNN, that evil mainstream media outlet, taught me this two years or so ago.

        Gaia is heartbroken.

        by BlueDragon on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:17:09 AM PDT

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        •  california alone probably does (1+ / 0-)
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          but we export a bunch.

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          by wu ming on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:20:44 AM PDT

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          •  No (2+ / 0-)
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            There is enough to fill demand. But demand is nowhere near what it would actually take for everyone to have that many servings. Most people do not eat what the government recommends. Sometimes it is because of money, sometimes due to supply (no stores in the area that carry fresh fruit and vegetables), sometimes because of bad choices, which are not limited to any one class, sometimes multiple factors.

            "Too big to fail" is not too big to jail.

            by Angela Quattrano on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 08:45:49 AM PDT

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        •  If daily fresh fruits and vegetables... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...are a requirement for a healthy lifestyle, then it is impossible to live healthily and sustainably in the northern United States - where locally-produced fresh fruits and vegetables are unavailable for a good part of the year.

          What have you done for DC statehood today? Call your Rep and Senators and demand action.

          by mistersite on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:29:09 AM PDT

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          •  Canning? (3+ / 0-)
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            We used to do that in the Northeast. Now Mega Corps do it, and make a handsome profit to boot.

            If you are older than 55, never take a sleeping pill and a laxative at the same time!

            by fredlonsdale on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:48:42 AM PDT

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          •  You have to learn to put stuff up (1+ / 0-)
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            In my view one of the best ways is to make beer and whiskey. A close second is to let your deer and wild turkey eat your blown down apples all fall and fatten them up.

            Then there are jellies and jams, blueberry, black berry, razberry, wild strawberry, apple, pear, peach, plum and grape; all your fall crops, carrots, potatoes, onions, and corn... the edible mushrooms from july through september include lobsters, chanterelles and black trumpets, all plentiful, delicious, and easy to dry for later.

            You can make it through from December to April with just the whiskey and beer supplimented by a little hunting, trapping, and ice fishing.

            Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

            by rktect on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 08:37:36 AM PDT

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            •  Only if you've got land. (2+ / 0-)
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              You can make it through from December to April with just the whiskey and beer supplimented by a little hunting, trapping, and ice fishing.

              The only things I can hunt or trap in my DC rowhouse are rats, stray cats, and the occasional raccoon. The only wild turkey I've got anywhere near me is the kind that's already been made into whiskey.

              I grow some things in my backyard garden, but not nearly enough to even sustain me through the summer - let alone year-round.

              What have you done for DC statehood today? Call your Rep and Senators and demand action.

              by mistersite on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 08:48:39 AM PDT

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            •  Without a seasonal supply of cheap (1+ / 0-)
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              fruits and vegetables, preserving is pointless. Most people cannot have the kind of garden and orchard it would (which is about an acre in size) take to supply themselves with all that is recommended. Paying supermarket prices for vegetables and fruit you are going to can means using lots of fuel to produce a product that is inferior to frozen or trucked produce.

              Buying at the farmers market here costs about double what it does at the supermarket.

              "Too big to fail" is not too big to jail.

              by Angela Quattrano on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 08:49:55 AM PDT

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              •  canning and fresh veggies (1+ / 0-)
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                I live in south Texas. I am able to buy from neighbors and or farmer's markets all the fresh veggies, pork, eggs, goat's milk and fruit I can eat at prices comparable to or less than the grocery stores. I have canned enough tomatoes, pickles, and beets to last for a year on less than $100 in products. The only things I purchase at the grocery store now are dry goods like sugar and flour. I even grow my own herbs. Yet I live in a sub-division on a 1/4 acre lot. It IS possible it simply requires talking to your neighbors and sharing.

                •  How nice (2+ / 0-)
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                  I paid $3.50 a pound for tomatoes at the farmer's market a couple of weeks ago. There is no way anybody around here could do what you have done.

                  A quarter acre (with a house on it, no less) will provide fresh vegetables with a few surpluses. It takes over an acre of farmed land to grow enough food to feed a family year round.

                  No, it is necessary to live in one of the few places that has such a long growing season. Saying you did it has no effect on places where the growing season is short.

                  "Too big to fail" is not too big to jail.

                  by Angela Quattrano on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 12:57:30 PM PDT

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              •  Kentucky (1+ / 0-)
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                My dad had a farm in Kentucky.  I went back there when he died 3 years ago.  I was amazed that in that rural, farming area, people didn't have local produce available at the stores.  It was WalMart crap fake tomatoes.  Then later I came across a story by Barbara Kingsolver, not fiction but an account of efforts to restore local produce to local markets where she was, in Kentucky.  I think the farmers aggregated, got a contract with a store, and just before the tomato harvest was to be delivered, the store canceled it and went with a supply brought in from California that they got for a few cents less.  Trucked all the way across the United States.  The local stuff went to waste.  Now that's a fail to break your heart.

              •  I have rwo sar (1+ / 0-)
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                one in squash, onions, potatoes, carrots, beans and one on lettuce, peas, beans and corn. I think that if you planted an acre you would probably need a family of about 12 to tend it.

                Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

                by rktect on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 05:22:25 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, sure... (6+ / 0-)

      ...but we're still one of the few countries in the world where poverty is linked with obesity.

      This of course isn't a prelude to, "stupid leeches are poor and fat and don't need help!"

      An adequate supply of healthy food is still a serious issue for America's poor, in terms of caloric intake it's still not a generalized problem, even if food is a major component in the budgets of those at poverty level.

      So, bink, I know you weren't demagoguing the issue or going for easy recs, but there's still no real reason for implying that starvation is the main food-based public health threat against America's poor.

      it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

      by Addison on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 06:31:54 AM PDT

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      •  (The MAIN food-based threat... (10+ / 0-)

        ...against the poor in America is shitty cheap processed calorie-rich death food that will kill them)

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 06:37:45 AM PDT

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      •  Here's the article I was looking for previously: (17+ / 0-)

        Marilyn Martin knew things were bad when a typical dinner for kids in her neighborhood consisted of chips, a honey bun and soda. With no full-service supermarkets in Central Detroit, processed, high-calorie snacks-from liquor stores, convenience stores and gas stations were virtually the only kinds of foods available.

        Experts have declared more than half of Detroit, a city with 800,000 people and just 40 grocery stores, a food desert. Most residents live twice as far from the nearest supermarket than a fast food restaurant. Unsurprisingly, Detroit also has one of the nation's highest obesity rates. According to the Michigan Department of Community Health, 70 percent of Detroiters are obese or overweight. [Essence]

        Detroit has an unemployment rate of 15.5%. There's a reality here there that's horrifying in some counter-intuitive ways, and it's good to recognize that reality and break away from applying, let's say, East African models of the food/poverty interface. Because we CAN fix the current problems with the American food supply, and we CAN make it more healthy, and we CAN provide America's poor with food that will give them the strength and nourishment to accomplish what they want to accomplish; but it's an absolute disservice and a hindrance to avoid the actual problem that exists in many, if not most cases.

        it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

        by Addison on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:01:32 AM PDT

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        •  It also impacts (15+ / 0-)

          brain development. So the kids aren't just fat, they're fat and dumb.

          They don't get the proper nutrients for their brains to develop well, and that means that they need more help to learn, which they often don't get because their schools are poor.

          On top of that, many of their parents aren't well educated and don't consider education a priority, so they don't get the intellectual stimulus at home OR at school.  

          •  Absolutely... (9+ / 0-)

            ...you can't have kids nourished on stickybuns and koolaid and expect the brain to get the proteins it needs to work well. This is a HUGE public health crisis, but it's hidden because of (often racist/classist/elitist) assumptions people have vis-a-vis where the poor's "natural" intellectual level would lie if they had access to a nourishing diet.

            In other words, I feel that many policymakers and voters -- even well-intentioned ones -- see (subconsciously, maybe) the poor not succeeding because they're black, or of "poor" roots with "poor" parenting, or lack the curiosity of the mannered elite; and not because they're eating GODDAMN STICKYBUNS instead of avocados because that's what they can afford!

            it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

            by Addison on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:13:19 AM PDT

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        •  Bodega (4+ / 0-)
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          Check out this video, entertaining and great commentary on what choices are available for too many people in our country.

          "Take it back, take it back. Oh no you can't say that. All of my friends are not dead or in jail." John Prine

          by high uintas on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:28:39 AM PDT

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          •  That takes me back (1+ / 0-)
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            to my minimum wage days. Didn't eat quite that poorly but I stood on my feet all day, was always tired and often sick and struggled not spend too much on food so I could make rent.
            Too often supper was from the convenience store that lay between the bus stop and the apartment, a can of chili, corn chips and a bottle of pop was a common choice.

            It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a difference of opinion that makes horse races. Mark Twain

            by Toon on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 10:12:17 AM PDT

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          •  "If you're not eating Utz... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...you're eating butts!"

            LOL

            The two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ---- Bob Lemon

            by miamiboats on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 11:43:08 AM PDT

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        •  Detroit Mark had a diary about huge abandoned (1+ / 0-)
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          Packard plant in Detroit -- Art Irritating Life.  Apparently the city didn't even know who owned it anymore -- taxes unpaid? -- and then when urban artist Banksy painted a mural on it, suddenly that section of wall had value, and people stepped up to claim ownership.  TMI... but my suggestion then was that the city homestead it.  Make utilities available to it and give people a chance to rework it.  Banksy saw trees.  Me too, and urban gardens, and homes, and people engaged in something wholesome and sustaining again.  Create real wealth and community again instead of vapor.

    •  wish I were one of those (0+ / 0-)

      who was demographically much richer!! We're struggling to survive on my measley 35K.

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      by fille americaine on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 11:04:56 AM PDT

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