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  •  Yes, building mosques is a good thing (6+ / 0-)

    Yes, I agree. The building of mosques and acceptance of Islam in Europe and the US is likely to bring a tolerance to Islam that is missing in monolithic cultures like Saudi Arabia. Ideally, young Muslims will see their religious tradition as one among many, and feel free to study the Quran as an historical document without losing their faith. I can even see mixed marriages eventually celebrated in such mosques. (with an imam and a rabbi or minister officiating) Of course, there will always remain the same kinds of fundamentalist fanatics as can be found among Christians,Hindus and Jews, but in the long run, Islam worldwide will inevitably evolve if it is allowed to take root in societies such as ours.  

    If anyone should oppose the building of mosques in the US and Europe, it should be the intolerant fanatics who take the Quran as the literal words of Allah and condemn "apostates" to death. Them, and the equally fanatical Christians, Jews and Hindus whose power depends on stirring up hatred for Muslims.

    Government is the conspiracy of the Few against the Many. - Francois Babeuf

    by Valatius on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 07:04:50 AM PDT

    •  Excellent point. :) (5+ / 0-)

      Pluralism and theocratic fundamentalism don't coexist well. If we want to deter theocratic fundamentalism - and we should, from whatever sect - we must encourage and practice pluralism. As it happens, that is also the civic ideal stated in our First Amendment. It's not only the smart thing to do ... it's the American thing to do.

      Good morning! ::hugggggs::

      •  Common sense ideas (2+ / 0-)
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        NCrissieB, swaminathan

        Building mosques and community centers are common sense ideas.  Why a report is needed to prove it's a good thing amazes me.  But then  - I never understood why Islam could be considered evil.  I apparently take a naive approach and believe that religions are there to take care of people  - soup kitchens, care for the poor and to remind us that we have a moral duty to take care of each other.  

        Islam is changing.  These things take time.  Remember those scary brown people can be well educated.  Other scary brown people are working towards the "American dream." They are driving cab day and night to save the money to buy gas stations, hotels, small businesses and put their kids through professional school.  Don't forget these kids are American. They are going to the American public schools.  They learning our history, culture and traditions.  Don't forget there's a reason why many Muslims left their country - overall life is probably better here and many of them came from places where life is not good.  Having lived a comfortable life here they probably don't want to go back.  

        There's a lot of Muslims in the US raising children.  Those parents are working very hard to balance their religion with the US culture.  They looking for young Imams that understand both worlds and can communicate to the new generation of American Muslims.  Islam is changing.  Especially here in the US.  It just takes time.

        Intercultural marriages can and do happen.  Another assumption we make as people, probably brought on by all the pictures of filled mosques, is that every Muslim is a devoted to their religion.  Many Muslims, like many Christians, are trying to be better Muslims. They don't pray 5 times a day, they don't go to the mosque, they only practice part of their religion.  Call it Muslim in name only  - like I grew up as a Christian but rarely attended church.  

        •  I agree we shouldn't need ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... an in-depth study by several Ph.Ds to confirm the obvious: when people feel included in and respected by their society, they work to protect that culture from radicalism. That should be obvious.

          But this study does give progressives solid data with which to counter Tea Party Republican claims of mosques as seething cauldrons of radical Islam. It proves what should be obvious: treat people well and they usually respond in kind.

          I agree about the rest of your comment. :)

          Good morning! ::hugggggs::

      •  Their own kids are the fanatics' biggest enemy (2+ / 0-)
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        NCrissieB, CKendall

        Fanatics of all faiths fear that their children will not share their own beliefs, and long ago realized that fear of parents alone will not do the trick. Kids have to taught to fear other kinds of people, lest they make friends with or (God forbid!) fall in love with someone outside the cult.

        Fortunately for fanatics on both sides, the US government has been terrifying Muslim children in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere since 2001 and this faux controversy about the lower Manhattan Muslim center is more of the same.

        Government is the conspiracy of the Few against the Many. - Francois Babeuf

        by Valatius on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 08:41:35 AM PDT

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