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  •  This was a GOP "setup" (4+ / 0-)
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    Isn't Porter Goss (Bush's criminal brain) running this committee?  That guy should be the first behind bars if  justice is to ever be served.

    The "tools" of the radical right: fear, hatred, division. Spiritually, they are totally 'bankrupt' individuals.

    by larkspurlane on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 02:18:50 PM PDT

    •  HR for CT claiming that this is a (1+ / 0-)
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      GOP setup.

      Goss left the House when he was appointed CIA director.

      Additionally, the ethics committee is composed of an equal number of Democrats and Republicans (no matter who controls the House) to ensure that purely partisan witch hunts can't go forward through the House.  Therefore, the fact that this is proceeding indicates that at least one or more Democrats felt there was sufficient evidence.

      Finally, like every other committee in the House of Representatives, the Ethics Committee is chaired by a Democrat, currently Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-California).

      •  Dang it you beat me by 30 seconds (0+ / 0-)

        No wasting my time on spell check.

      •  this investigation began 2 years ago if I'm not (3+ / 0-)

        mistaken. Surely, this illustrious and dazzling array of grey matter could have come up with a conclusion to this investigation before two years which, coincidentally, occurs one month before campaigning begins in earnest.

        The timing of it all is extremely suspicious - if not entirely negligent on the part of the members of this committee.

        No doubt in anyone's mind that the GOP members of this committee had everything to do with the timing of this investigation.

        The "tools" of the radical right: fear, hatred, division. Spiritually, they are totally 'bankrupt' individuals.

        by larkspurlane on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 02:28:37 PM PDT

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        •  you're not supposed to say that in polite company (1+ / 0-)
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          save this kind of talk for the conspiracy planning room, plzthx. the very possibility that the Republicans have a hitlist of trees to shake with very low hanging branches, is, well it's almost guaranteed. but nevermind that. the LAW has caught up with Charles Rangel and so now Charles Rangel must be held responsible for all the harm he's caused.

          Aperture Science. We do what we must, because we can.

          by lincoln deschain on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 02:38:30 PM PDT

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          •  "all the harm"??!! (0+ / 0-)

            He was trying to raise money for a school...I have seen no indication that he profited from it, or harmed anyone in the slightest, for crying out loud.

            Perhaps he may have stretched the rules somewhat, but as others point out, I suspect he is not unique in such practice, and it's hard for me to believe that he would so adamantly deny even these minor petty charges unless he has substantial basis for that.

            Anyway, I can't see how even if "guilty" as "charged" on all points, these matters could be grounds for more than a slap on the wrist, especially in light of much more egregious bending and breaking of rules by others.

            I think this is no coincidence, but like with Waters, just right wing grandstanding.

            The "Ethics" Committe is made up of 3 Republicans a Blue Dog, and two Democrats....go figure.

            As to any "harm" to the Party at election time, lol...sure, the Right will scream bloody murder about these trumped up "charges", but that's what they do, and if it wasn't this it would be some other bogus bullshit.

            Ultimately, I think this, like the charges against Waters, will backfire on the Repubs, because Maxine and Charlie's very large and loyal constituencies, and sympathizers around the country, will see it for what it is, a racist partisan attack just before the elections, and we will be all the more fired up to rally electoral support for Democrats across the board, to hit the right back, hard, at the polls.

            "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

            by Radical def on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 10:18:59 AM PDT

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            •  ah...having watched the video now, heh... (0+ / 0-)

              Correction and clarification on my previous comment:

              I see that he does acknowledge that he did break some rules, which he acknowledges is "serious", and that he should be held accountable.

              Yet and still, the "charges" still seem petty and minor, to me...

              And he does adamantly deny any "corruption" or personal gain, attibuting these matters to error and negligence, at worst. and demanding a fair hearing and timely appropriate resolution.

              Here is his formal written response to the "charges", that he recently submitted:

              Rangel's response to the charges (7/28/10):

              Other documentation, including Statement of Alleged Violations:

              House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct (Ethics Committee)

              These are the members of the full committee (not the subcommittee that dealt with the details of these charges, I think).  This is what i thinking about, when I mentioned the Blue Dog...and it's five from each party, rather than three, on the full committee.  I haven't found yet, who's on the sub-committee:

              Democratic Members:

              Zoe Lofgren (Chair): California

              Ben Chandler (Blue Dog Coalition member), Kentucky

              GK Butterfield, North Caroline

              Kathy Castor, Florida

              Peter Welch, Vermont

              Republican Members:

              Jo Bonner (Ranking Republican Member), Alabama

              Mike Conaway, Texas

              Charles Dent, Pennsylvania

              Gregg Harper, Mississippi

              Michael McCaul, Texas

              "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

              by Radical def on Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 11:27:29 AM PDT

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        •  And 2 years ago Dems controlled the House n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  Not exonerating him prematurely/simply noting (2+ / 0-)

        the timing on all of this.

        You've clearly misread my comment.  Porter Goss laid the groundwork for this investigation as was exposed on Rachel Madow last week.

        The "tools" of the radical right: fear, hatred, division. Spiritually, they are totally 'bankrupt' individuals.

        by larkspurlane on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 02:29:56 PM PDT

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      •  guess you didn't know the genesis of this case? (1+ / 0-)
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        Rachel did an entire segment on it recently and how Porter Goss was involved. Sorry you missed it.

        The "tools" of the radical right: fear, hatred, division. Spiritually, they are totally 'bankrupt' individuals.

        by larkspurlane on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 02:30:45 PM PDT

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      •  Absolutely correct. (2+ / 0-)
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        But not a valid reason for a HR!

        larkspurlane was utterly incorrect. The proper response was to correct him/her.

        "In public, the parties stage a show of bitter bipartisan stalemate. But when the cameras are off, they fuck like crazed weasels in heat." - Matt Taibbi

        by GreenSooner on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 03:01:08 PM PDT

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        •  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof (0+ / 0-)

          I found the proof lacking given the fact that the "evidence" provided was easily proven incorrect.  I did correct the part about Goss not being in Congress, however I also demonstrated how this could not be a GOP "setup".

          If larkspurlane walks it back I'll gladly remove the HR.

          •  Those aren't extraordinary claims... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...they're simple falsehoods.

            It's not a dramatic conspiracy theory to say that Porter Goss is in charge of the House Ethics Committee.

            It's just factually incorrect.

            So say it and move on.

            "In public, the parties stage a show of bitter bipartisan stalemate. But when the cameras are off, they fuck like crazed weasels in heat." - Matt Taibbi

            by GreenSooner on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 03:45:22 PM PDT

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      •  Not HR worthy for an opinion. Oh brother n/t (0+ / 0-)
    •  ??? (3+ / 0-)
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      Porter Goss is not a member of Congress and has not been for many years.

    •  Diaper boy vitter and Ensign still standing?? (4+ / 0-)

      The fact that Vitter is still in office is astounding and even more astonishingly hypocritical is all of the potential charges against Ensign from violating laws in the procurement of a position for his cuckolded friend and having his parents write checks to keep their mouths shut....when is that trial happening?

      In the meantime, it's clear that the GOP has no scruples whatsoever and no morals.

      The "tools" of the radical right: fear, hatred, division. Spiritually, they are totally 'bankrupt' individuals.

      by larkspurlane on Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 02:25:22 PM PDT

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