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  •  Complain about "clean" coal all you want -- (1+ / 0-)
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    papicek

    I certainly do -- but one thing it does do is alleviate fears of West Virginia and Kentucky coal miners that they will be able to take decent care of their families.

    You want programs that really sell in the US, you move aggresively to ensure not just that some green jobs will be created, but that people who can take care of their families now will still be able to take care of their families.

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    by dinotrac on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:33:36 AM PDT

    •  what you do (6+ / 0-)

      is ensure that the communities that will be hurt by transitioning to clean energy are the communities where the new clean technologies will be researched and developed, with all the necessary job retraining that entails. you let people know that we, as a national community, will take care of them, and make sure they have opportunities in the new economy.

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      by Laurence Lewis on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:39:09 AM PDT

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      •  I never said it was rocket science... (2+ / 0-)
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        Laurence Lewis, papicek

        R&D centers, factories, etc -- all good.

        What's been missing to date are concrete measures to reassure those whose jobs actually are in danger that they will be able to take good care of their families.

        It's a lot harder than simply saying green jobs will follow, but is essential to breaking down resistance.

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        by dinotrac on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:59:16 AM PDT

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    •  So you build factories in W. Va. and Ky. (4+ / 0-)

      The new jobs would also be safer and healthier.

    •  Get Real (2+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean, ryan81

      "Limiting corporate liability, while transferring it to the government."

      Apparently for "clean coal" to survive, it requires that the "Hidden Hand" of Capitalism to remain firmly attached to Uncle Sam's wrist.  

      It has become obvious to the rest of the world that renewables are not only cleaner, but cheaper and make better business sense for the foreseeable future.  

      Sorry, but change does bring pain to some communities.  However as mentioned by others, there is absolutely no reason why these same workers cannot trade a hard hat and shovel for the clean suits worn when building solar arrays or whatever you wear to build windmills.  

      Oh wait... there is a reason why they're stuck digging and dying in coal mines, their Senators, Representatives, and Governors are all bought and paid for by the coal industry! Silly me.

    •  Wyoming happens to be the top coal producer (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      Outproducing WV and Kentucky combined. Additionally both WV and Kentucky seem to have gone past "peak coal" in that far less coal is being extracted from those states than their respective production "highs".

      Coal Production by State

      Kentucky jobs were "leaving" before Clinton was elected. WV jobs while Truman was still in office.

      "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

      by Egalitare on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 09:06:59 AM PDT

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      •  Then add Wyoming. n/t (0+ / 0-)

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        by dinotrac on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 09:18:41 AM PDT

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        •  Wyoming won't lose nearly as many jobs... (2+ / 0-)
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          Calamity Jean, dinotrac

          ...when they reach "peak coal" because those operations are already highly mechanized. MTR has been introduced to Kentucky, WV and the rest of the older coal states to lower costs of getting the remaining coal - and those costs are mostly wages paid miners toiling below the surface.

          Massey is most likely spinning their recent mining deaths as justification to do MORE MTR: far fewer dead miners in the future.

          Of course, it also means far fewer miners period.

          "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." -- Frederick Douglass

          by Egalitare on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 09:33:48 AM PDT

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