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  •  Socrates isn't a Democratic Socialist (3+ / 0-)

    he is a Socialist.  Partido Socialista.  

    And yes he does rock.  Has a cool name too.

    If you do decide to go visit, let me know.  I can tell you the hot spots and maybe you could even spend a few days at our house.  It's about 20 minute drive from the beach.  

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 07:40:40 AM PDT

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    •  How about real estate prices in Portugal? (0+ / 0-)

      Something smallish with a vegetable garden on a hill with access to groundwater ... ?

    •  Most European socialist parties (0+ / 0-)

      are Democratic Socialists.  And I always call them that because in the U.S. many don't seem to understand that socialist and democratic go hand in hand in Europe.  So many people still have that Soviet Bloc boogeyman from the cold war era jumping around in their head.

      Plus, I'm going by the stated guiding principles of their party, which is "a party that seeks in Democratic Socialism the solution to national problems and to the socioeconomic challenges of our times, and strongly defends democracy".

      Btw, I think that Germany's former environmental minister, a social democrat, is likely to become the next chancellor... would be pretty cool.

      Thanks a bunch for that very generous offer to advise me in regards to the Portugal trip.  I'll definitely take you up on that if I go, as I really don't know much about Portugal.  I've been to Spain and France, but never to Portugal.

      "The perfect is the enemy of the good." - Voltaire

      by Lawrence on Mon Aug 16, 2010 at 11:28:01 AM PDT

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      •  Political parties in Portugal (1+ / 0-)
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        The reason I pointed that out to you is because Portugal also has a party called the Partido Social Democrata or PSD for short that can be confused with Democratic Socialists but is in actuality nothing more than our DLC wing of the Democratic Party.  They're considered center/center right.  They were actually formed by many of the more left leaning remnants of the fascist regime.  The brightest of them, Sa Carneiro, actually died in a plane crash a few years after the party was formed (originally it was the PPD or Partido Popular Democratico).

        The Socialist Party is equivalent to the more traditional European Democratic Socialists but in reality, as my dad a proud PSD member until his death would always say, they're nothing more than ashamed communists.  Over the years they have drifted a little to the right as the Communist Party and other parties which now comprose the Left Block have pushed them.  Today they're more mainstream and are center left.  25 years ago they were left.

        The interesting thing is that they are the majority party and here they would be Bernie Sanders.  They have done truly revolutionary things like legalizing abortion and gay marriage.  This is in a country that every August sees it's people walking in pilgrimmage to Fatima where they then kneel and walk on their knees the last several meters to the cathedral.  Very Roman Catholic country and yet they're more progressive than we are here.  

        Let me know if you do go.  I suggest that any visit to Portugal should include a several day visit to Oporto and that you include a a trip up to wine country.  You can buy an all day package for a hundred bucks or so which will take you up the mountains in a train where you have lunch then you take a yacht ride down the River Douro to Oporto.  All the while you're eating and drinking wine. Oporto is beautiful and you especially have to visit the wine cellars on the other side of the river in Villa Nova da Gaia.  They literally give you free samples of Port wine.  You can also visit the Se Cathedral or old Cathedral while you're there, and if you go at the right time you can even catch a game of soccer.  FC Porto is one of teh most popular clubs in Portugal and their facilities are state of the art.

        This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

        by DisNoir36 on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 05:18:25 AM PDT

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