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  •  Again, Molly Norris, credible threats. (2+ / 0-)
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    citizen k, Deep Texan

    In this case, he does in fact seem to have the power to carry out his threats.

    •  Words mean things. (4+ / 0-)
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      Pretending that "red" means "blue" doesn't make it so.  Pretending that "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it" means "We can assassinate a citizen who writes a pamphlet advocating rebellion" doesn't make it so, either.

      You're flailing for a way to make this Constitutional, but the fact that you don't know what the Constitution says is making it a bit tough.  Fortunately for you, there is actually a way: you can amend the Constitution to allow the government to extrajudicially assassinate citizens.  It's not a power they currently have, and it isn't a power they can assign themselves, but We the People can give it to them.  We really shouldn't, but we can.

      "Speaking for me only." -Armando

      by JR on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:18:13 PM PDT

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      •  Just to be clear, you're admitting (1+ / 0-)
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        Deep Texan

        that he's advocating rebellion, you just don't think the life of a cartoonist is that big of a deal?

        •  Not where war powers are concerned, no. (3+ / 0-)
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          That's a criminal matter, not a military one.  Advocating rebellion is a seditious act.  It isn't enough to trigger the use of war powers against an American citizen.

          "Speaking for me only." -Armando

          by JR on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:27:48 PM PDT

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          •  Well, I think we've reached an honest difference (1+ / 0-)
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            Deep Texan

            of opinion, because I do think that it's a big deal.

            •  "Big deal" is not the point. (2+ / 0-)
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              JR, crose

              We have a court system for everything from littering to, yes, treason.  Try the guy.

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              by cai on Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 11:52:52 PM PDT

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              •  contrary to some theory (1+ / 0-)
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                Deep Texan

                the courts are not the supreme branch of government. The political branches are entrusted with foreign policy and war matters and can act in those without judicial sanction. There is no constitutional protection for those engaged in war against the USA until/unless they are in custody.

                •  Hey, if he was killed on the battlefield (0+ / 0-)

                  that would be different.  But we don't bomb Americans because they are overseas and have (allegedly) committed crimes.  We shouldn't, anyway.

                  (And I happen not to accept the Bush designation of any place overseas as "the battlefield".)

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                  by cai on Thu Sep 30, 2010 at 01:23:35 AM PDT

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                  •  actually Bush wanted the world to be defined as (2+ / 0-)
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                    SoCalSal, Deep Texan

                    the battlefield. The blatantly illegal imprisonment of Padilla who was seized in a US airport was a sign of Bush's effort to bring rule of law to an end.

                    However, that does not mean that Yemen is not the battlefield or that a person engaged in military actions in Yemen is in any way entitled to judicial protection while he is not in US custody.

                    Just because Bush wanted to illegally designate American soil as battlefield does not mean battlefields are not battlefields.

                    •  If all it takes is bombing the shit out of a... (0+ / 0-)

                      place before we call it a battlefield, then I suppose you're right, Mr Awlaki is on a battlefield. Apparently all a President needs to create a Constitution-free zone is to start bombing the shit outta the place. Yea, that's definitely what the Constitution wanted.

                      "And he shall, in times when he has unilaterally decided to unleash a bucketload of firepower on a location, be empowered to target and kill any of his subjects citizens found therein, upon convening a decision-making body whose members have been chosen entirely by him and whose tenures are at his discretion. Further, he shall ensure that the people not be made aware of the criteria used to judge fellow citizens, and that no due-process or injunctive relief be made available to the citizen to be killed."

            •  That's called authoritarianism. (0+ / 0-)

              If being accused of threatening a cartoonist and inspiring a criminal conspiracy can get you summary execution, I don't know what else you want to call it.

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