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  •  Yeah, 'cause the last invasion turned out so well (0+ / 0-)
    •  Wow, are you missing all kinds of points. (7+ / 0-)

      Asking Yemen to arrest him is not an invasion.  Asking Yemen to let us go arrest him in Yemen is not an invasion.

      And frankly, I find the precedent of letting any president decide to kill an American citizen without any form of judicial process frightening.

      Forget Obama.  He'll only be president for another six years, max.  Forget al-Awlawi.  He's the current bad guy, but he won't be the last.  Think about this concept, and let it marinate: a president... any president... can declare a U.S. citizen to be outside the law.

      And then that president... any president... a future president who make George W. Bush look like like a model of restraint... can... can...

      Can whatever.  Can anything.  Can blow up his house with his kids in it.  Can disappear him off to places where they keep prisoners in underground cells the size of ventilated coffins, and torture them.  For the U.S.  For freedom.

      And can do it to anyone.  Look at the peace activists, the environmentalists, the FBI has been looking to charge -- has charged -- with terrorism.  You think future presidents will stop with the really, truly evil assholes?  Even if they tried to, what makes you think they'd never get it wrong?

      America would never elect president (or let steal the president) stupid, venal, conscienceless men?  

      Really?

      My comments may not be used for any purpose without explicit permission.

      by cai on Thu Sep 30, 2010 at 12:06:28 AM PDT

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    •  If a citizen is accused... (0+ / 0-)

      of threatening someone and engaging in a criminal conspiracy, and they run away to another country, the only two options, according to you, are either to summarily execute that person or to invade the entire country.

      That about sum it up?

      •  I'm open to other options. (0+ / 0-)

        No one here has come up with any yet.

        •  Murder them. (0+ / 0-)

          Clearly the only option ever, if things get hard, is to just start murdering citizens.

          Listen, Recall, I don't think you understand how this works. If the government says "we really need Recall to stop practicing his/her religion", that doesn't suddenly mean you lose your first amendment rights.

          Just like when the government says "hey, I know it's a big deal, but Recall committed rape and we're having a bit of a hard time finding him, so we're just gonna need him to give up his right to a trial and due process and all that, because we're gonna havta just kill him whenever we find him."

          Hard problems don't negate the Constitution. There isn't an escape clause at the end of each Amendment.

          No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

          Quaint, I know.

          •  It's not my fault that you can't come up with (0+ / 0-)

            Clearly the only option ever, if things get hard, is to just start murdering citizens.

            anything else.

            Listen, Recall, I don't think you understand how this works. If the government says "we really need Recall to stop practicing his/her religion", that doesn't suddenly mean you lose your first amendment rights.

            Just like when the government says "hey, I know it's a big deal, but Recall committed rape and we're having a bit of a hard time finding him, so we're just gonna need him to give up his right to a trial and due process and all that, because we're gonna havta just kill him whenever we find him."

            What about having to go into hiding because you offended Al-Qaeda? You don't seem to have much of a problem with that.

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