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  •  more than agitprop in a campaign (4.00)
    I read all the comments page before deciding to attach a note to Kid O who I want to second for his remarks of disapproval to Kos.  This is wrong wrong wrong and I think Kos will regret it (but prob not admit it) someday.

    Essentially he is hiding behind someone else's anonymous morter shot to get the community all riled up.  What he wants are comments to show that there are a number of Kossacks (read: new dem activists) who disapprove of Brazile.  Certainly he's doing this to combat the attacks he must be taking in the high altitude parlor games re: DNC Chairman.  This is a skirmish of the (not snarky) self appointed reform democrats and the established kingmakers and insiders.

    Kos, I wish you the best in your personal and professional endeavors.  I like so much of what is going on here and in other new democratic communities around the country.  I hope Dean can seize the moment.

    But I still say this is wrong wrong wrong.  It is wrong to pursue personal gain by employing the language of race or the language of gender to smear someone if there is an iota of respect for anothers' race or gender in your heart.  If Donna Brazile, as a person, is a professional failure then call her for her failings as a professional.  If Donna Brazile, as a manager, is a personal failure for losing trust because she lies, or picks favorites, or shoots her mouth, etc then call her for her personal failings.  There is absolutely no need to win an argument by couching an attack in what I read to be race-tinged throughout and one-foot-in-one-foot-out racist at times.

    I'm a student of revolutionary parties.  I specialized in the Communist Party of China.  I devour everything I can on the post-Soviet social and political commentary that comes out of present Russia or eastern Europe to see into the largest surviving Leninist party in the world.  I have the recently departed Martin Malia's "The Soviet Tragedy" here next to me.  Bolsheviks, mensheviks, Trotskyites, faithful Leninists, Stalinists from 100 or 70 years ago would see this for what it is.

    We are witnessing a crescendo of revolutionary conflict inside the Democratic Party.  I think it is a good thing.  I've picked a side (you are reading a post here right?).  But there is a moment in any revolution that a "follower" must recognize boundaries and limits to what the "leadership" does in ones name in order to achieve the goal of the revolution.

    So I adding my voice to those who are saying wrong wrong wrong.  I won't accept a counterargument that says 'ends justify the means' or 'meekness means weakness.'  Not in my name, Kos.  I hope on reflection you'll remember the friends who are in no uncertain terms admonishing you today the next time you want to do anything like this.

    I'd buy that for a dollar [canned laughter]

    by SkipWalkDC on Tue Feb 01, 2005 at 06:23:55 PM PST

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    •  Your comment is wrong wrong wrong (none)
      Not in saying kos was wrong to post this - I agree with that.

      But imputing ulterior motives.  That was utter bullshit on your part.  It doesn't even make sense.  What does kos get from pissing off Brazile?  You think he can't privately badmouth Brazile to Dean directly?

      "Just say no to torture." -Semi-Anonymous Blogger.

      by Armando on Tue Feb 01, 2005 at 06:53:33 PM PST

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      •  how is it possible (4.00)
        to use someone else's anonymous smear on your own web site and NOT HAVE ulterior motives?
        If he can speak directly to Dean about her, why air the anonymous laundry so publicly if not to bank shot smear her?
        And let's say I'm full of shit and off by a mile on the 'use dailykos to drum up attacks on Brazile', what is his motive to posting this smear?  He doesn't clearly state what his motive is, so by definition he must have ulterior motives.

        I'd buy that for a dollar [canned laughter]

        by SkipWalkDC on Tue Feb 01, 2005 at 07:09:22 PM PST

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        •  Ulterior? (none)
          that's ridiculous. What was his ulterior motive for posting on the Super Bowl?  What's your ulterior motive for posting these comments?  come on.

          "Just say no to torture." -Semi-Anonymous Blogger.

          by Armando on Tue Feb 01, 2005 at 07:13:22 PM PST

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        •  because Kos' post had a clear intent (none)
          it maligned Brazile.

          Simply put.  You can side with Brazile instead of kos or stay out of it or whichever, but the motive was clear as a bell to lesson Donna's role at the DNC or in the Democratic party.

          Mind you I'm not defending that or the way it was done... but I'm defining "not-ulterior".

        •  direct motive = attack Brazile (4.00)
          means = anonymous smear posted in his name on his website
          ulterior motive = employ his shock troops to echo and enhance the attack

          But you didn't answer the question: if I am full of shit, what do you think his motivation is for this post?  (I'm inclined to thin it is only half like his post on the Super Bowl: to inspire debate.  But in the Super Bowl debate, he isn't going to use the outcome to advance his position.)

          PS - I am happy to thrash this out with you.  But I want to say up front that you're doing a great job on birddogging Gonzales.

          I'd buy that for a dollar [canned laughter]

          by SkipWalkDC on Tue Feb 01, 2005 at 07:27:41 PM PST

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