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  •  Not more than a handful (0+ / 0-)

    of emotionally invested astrophysicists (and their fan clubs) actually care about 'knowing' the origins of the universe. The Primal Question always was and remains "what is our place and purpose in the universe?"

    Many people these days are quite content with the idea that place is entirely accidental and purpose is non-existent outside our own minds. Many other people aren't content with that, and hold to more satisfying 'answers'. The only thing I'm sure about is that humanity's existential angst is NOT one size fit all.

    Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

    by Joieau on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:53:06 AM PDT

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    •  What a judgmental, anti-scientific statement (0+ / 0-)

      emotionally invested astrophysicists (and their fan clubs)

      Indeed?

      As for,

      The Primal Question always was and remains "what is our place and purpose in the universe?"

      By whose standards?

      You seem quite eager to speak for all humanity (excluding of course those pesky "emotionally invested astophysicists and their fan clubs").

      Many people these days are quite content with the idea that place is entirely accidental and purpose is non-existent outside our own minds. Many other people aren't content with that, and hold to more satisfying 'answers'.

      The question of what is, is not subject to popular vote. That is the whole point of science, and why the scientific method has proven so successful at differentiating fact from falsehood - and, why it makes some people so obviously nervous.

      "Satisfying" is a matter of personal opinion, not an absolute reality as you seem to believe.

      The only thing I'm sure about is that humanity's existential angst is NOT one size fit all.

      You certainly do not speak as if that is the "only" thing you are sure about.

      Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

      by RandomActsOfReason on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 05:07:15 PM PDT

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      •  LOL!!! (0+ / 0-)

        My goodness, RAOR. Got a thorn in your paw?

        I happen to be a big fan of emotionally invested astrophysicists (and quite a few mathematical physicists), follow their wanderings and various interpretations of evidence as closely as I can. There are some seriously fascinating theories out there, interspersed with some 'not even wrong' theories that make for decent sci-fi plots. Terribly interesting, if not exactly awe-inspiring most of the time. But you never know. They may yet stumble upon old Wiggly Higgly one of these days, be able to prop their Standard Model up awhile longer... What version of science's creation stories is your favorite?

        The existential questions are the ones that have underpinned philosophy and metaphysics for thousands of years. I cannot imagine why you believe not so, though it's perfectly okay for you not to consider such questions pertinent to anything in your life.

        You could try to grok the fact that your own non-consideration of existential questions in no way affects the considerations of other people and cannot be expected to affect such things.

        Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

        by Joieau on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 09:12:04 AM PDT

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        •  You could try to (0+ / 0-)

          engage in honest debate, assuming that you have any interest in doing so, rather than trying to score cheap points with puerile insults and misplaced condescension.

          I keep addressing specific assertions you make, asking questions about them, and/or challenging them with refuting evidence or arguments.

          You keep responding with personal nonsense, straw men that have nothing to do with my comments, and/or attempts to attack the messenger which have no bearing on the message.

          Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

          by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 11:46:11 AM PDT

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          •  I replied to a post by (0+ / 0-)

            "otto" who said s/he was "thinking about the difficulty that people have with not knowing the origins of the universe." In response to a previously offered deistic view of such things. I mentioned that apart from a few emotionally invested astrophysicists and fans, nobody's really having that much difficulty with it. Everybody's got their preferred belief about it, and that's about as far as it ever gets on the list of Very Important Existential Questions.

            You didn't like what I said, obviously. Why, right here you accuse me of engaging in dishonest debate and trying to score cheap points with insults and condescension. When I did none of those things. In my experience the existential questions people most care about are those related to who/what we are and why we're here. Whether or not the universe is a multiverse or blew into existence with a zero point bang is not a biggy. That's just a fact, true of most people in this world. You don't have to like it, you should just shrug and move on.

            Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

            by Joieau on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 03:12:23 PM PDT

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            •  In fact, the majority of your comments (0+ / 0-)

              in this thread have been attacks on people who are interested in discussing religion and theism.

              The nature and content of your attacks make it clear that you are operating based on pejorative stereotypes about what atheists are about and why we talk about such things.

              A pointless exercise in aggression for aggression's sake. To make you (figurative) feel intellectually superior

              pointless aggression against people for their religious beliefs isn't likely to change anybody's religious beliefs

              you do provide an excellent example of being pointlessly aggressive for aggression's sake

              Maybe you keep a scorecard for all the religious kossacks you've converted during your time here

              I don't see a lot of 'fundys' here to accept your challenges

              I characterized it to myself through much of my early life as the odd (and entirely untenable) situation of people really, truly believing that if they could just force every knee to bend to their own chosen 'truths', it would magically make their chosen 'truths' more True.

              In fact, your comments here prove that that applies, at least, to you - you have resisted all efforts to get you to examine your assumptions and support your pejorative assertions here.

              Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

              by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 04:45:56 PM PDT

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              •  Experience of life on planet earth (0+ / 0-)

                has also taught me that there are some people who simply aren't worth bothering with. I hope you won't infest further diaries in this series, which up to now has been interesting and quite fruitful. Good bye.

                Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                by Joieau on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 05:59:51 PM PDT

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                •  In other words, you have no response (0+ / 0-)

                  when your own words are presented to you, refuting your assertions.

                  No response, that is, except childish personal insults.

                  Thanks for proving the hypocrisy of your own stance.

                  Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

                  by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 06:08:27 PM PDT

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