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  •  There still exists dispute (0+ / 0-)

    based on some evidence that the Exodus occurred at the beginning of the transition from Middle to Late Kingdoms. I'm sure everybody's got their favorites, I'm emotionally invested in none of them.

    All I have said is that if such humans existed (no matter how glorified in mythologies) in such times as science once upon a time declared impossible (but now known to occasionally occur), the archetype of Moses could definitely have had the skill to effect all of that which came later. Just by codifying the annals and receiving 'The Law', because he could so such a thing when no one else could (or would, if they could).

    It's rather a heroic tale, moreso than a romance. We are never likely to discover enough 'proof' to satisfy everyone, and that's okay. Looks to me to be more like a game plan.

    I guess I'd primarily like to get across the fact that often atheistic stereotypes of their 'enemies' are applicable to a mere subset. The generalization is erroneous. That's okay too, because humans are prone to error.

    Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

    by Joieau on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 05:57:41 PM PDT

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    •  "atheistic stereotypes"? "enemies"? (1+ / 0-)
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      Talk about generalizations and prior assumptions.

      First of all, let's review factual data.

      Rieux was kind enough to link to a post of mine from 2009 that cranked the numbers and showed that

      over 82% of religious Americans believe in a personal god, including 9 out of 10 Christians.

      Second, can you please be specific in your stereotypes regarding alleged "atheistic stereotypes" about our alleged "enemies"?

      I am often accused here of attacking perceived enemies. And yet, I repeatedly post evidence of historic cooperation between theists and atheists in all major civil rights movements.

      For one recent example of many:

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      That comment, which I recommend you read, as it provides an education not provided in our schools or history textbooks, concludes,

      It takes all of us to achieve change. Atheists are not the enemies of change.

      And that comment is just about US atheists.

      You might want to read up on Gora (Goparaju Ramachandra Rao), Gandhi's closest advisor, for one of thousands of examples of atheists in other nations who played critical roles in human political progress, increasing understanding, tolerance and coexistence.

      There are, in fact, over one billion atheists in the world, and we are one of the fastest growing categories around. And I know of no example of an atheist army currently waging war on a religious "enemy", nor atheist terrorists blowing theists up as a protest against religion, nor atheists seeking to pass laws limiting the freedoms of theists anywhere.

      A few of us occasionally write a book about our beliefs, among dozens of books we write about other things. A few of us might politely engage in a civil debate in a college forum, or post a YouTube video, or give a talk.

      In contrast, open atheism is literally a death sentence in many countries, and, here in the US, it is a guaranteed bar to elected office.

      Wow. We are on a rampage against "enemies" we've concocted from our "atheistic stereotypes", have we?

      Show me the evidence.

      Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

      by RandomActsOfReason on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 07:53:52 PM PDT

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      •  You have clearly (0+ / 0-)

        assigned me to a stereotype that exists in your own head and has nothing to do with me or anything I've said in this discussion. And because you have stereotyped me, you are apparently compelled to reinforce it with blatant rudeness that also has nothing to do with me or anything I've said in this discussion.

        I am not at all sure exactly what your stereotype demands of me, but there is no question that you demand something. Care to spell that out so we can all understand what you're hoping to accomplish with all this bombastic gibberish?

        Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

        by Joieau on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 08:57:50 AM PDT

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        •  I responded to your comment (0+ / 0-)

          I guess I'd primarily like to get across the fact that often atheistic stereotypes of their 'enemies' are applicable to a mere subset.

          I responded directly to your reference to "atheistic stereotypes of their 'enemies'".

          Are you unaware that you wrote that sentence?

          I challenged you to be specific in that assertion, and I presented copious evidence suggesting that it may be an empty and gratuitous manifestation of your own prejudice. A straw man, in other words.

          You apparently did not review the evidence, choosing instead to post more and more personally insulting comments devoid of substance.

          because you have stereotyped me, you are apparently compelled to reinforce it with blatant rudeness that also has nothing to do with me or anything I've said in this discussion.

          You posted the words I quoted above, did you not? I responded directly to the bit about "atheistic stereotypes of their 'enemies'". My response was no rude in the least. On the contrary, I patiently presented evidence to challenge your assertion.

          You respond with vehemence, devoid of substance. That suggests that my challenge was actually well understood by you, and that you choose not to, or are unable, to respond substantively.

          Always make new mistakes - Esther Dyson

          by RandomActsOfReason on Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 11:25:52 AM PDT

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