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  •  Sure wolves are fascists by nature (0+ / 0-)

    uh-huh right.

    •  I don't equate humans and wolves. (2+ / 0-)
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      And I'm not conceding your contention about the nature of wolves either.

      You're statement that:

      Human nature at it's core seeks leaders.

      is creepily fascist.  Not backing down on that.

      Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all. - JM Keynes

      by goinsouth on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 07:43:03 AM PDT

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      •  What you describe (3+ / 0-)

        so forcefully,  as if you have some special knowledge of what is best for others, strikes me as a very  authoritarian in nature.

        The fact being that I am finding disagreement with your positions leads you to be a bit of bully,  quite the opposite of your presumed admiration of the anti-authoritarian lifestyle.

        Remind me not to get stuck on an island with someone such as yourself that claims the bully pulpit to  try and force cooperation.

        •  Ad hominem! (1+ / 0-)
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          goinsouth

          That's your third fallacy.  A trifecta, congratulations!

          •  LOL (1+ / 0-)
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            Too funny.

            Calling out the irony of goinsouth as the intellectual authority leading the charge to promote an anarchist movement..... is somehow an ad hominem. LOL

            •  OK, now your just lying. (1+ / 0-)
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              Seriously, you were bullied?  Are you OK?  Do you need a cool compress?

              Accusing goinsouth of bullying, and of being someone who would "force cooperation" on people stuck on a desert island with her/him is not only ad hominem, it's ridiculous given the tone of debate that generally prevails here.  Seriously, you were bullied?

              Three Fallacies and a Lie!  Can we get Hugh Grant to star?  

              Who do you want to play you?

              •  Get back to me (0+ / 0-)

                when you actually read what my post says.

                •  Get back to me when you stop pushing lies (0+ / 0-)

                  And logical falacies.

                  And then there's:

                  ...as if you have some special knowledge of what is best for others, strikes me as a very  authoritarian in nature.

                  You share your "special knowledge" that human nature is like that of wolves, and that we need to act in accord with that wolf-like nature, then criticize someone for acting "as if you have some special knowledge of what is best for others"?

                  You are a hypocrite.

                  You compare us to wolves who need a leader, then call someone else's idea "authoritarian in nature"?

                  Again, you are a hypocrite.

                  You are a dishonest, hypocritical liar, as your own posts have demonstrate.  You deserve no respect.

      •  Humans and wolves (0+ / 0-)

        Humans and wolves have a tremendous amount in common (probably upwards of 80% of their genome).  In particular both species exhibit social behaviors, particularly with respect to use of such behaviors for foraging.  It is not only fascists who share these traits, we all do.  Indeed, anyone who has either owned a dog or taken the trouble to study their behavior can see a lot of similarities.

        In particular, both species have seen an evolution of leadership that falls to those who are best able to seize it, either by brute force or by guile. It seems to me that the human challenge is to find ways to use reason to accentuate the latter rather than the former.  

        Perhaps it is this underlies the fundamental difference between the American wing and progressives, in that the latter have the sense to understand and evaluate our genetic constraints so that they are not held captive by them.

        •  Some important differences btw wolves... (1+ / 0-)
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          and people:

          1. How large is a wolf pack?  A dozen adults or so?  How long are the lines of accountability for the "leader?"  How does that compare to our world where a few dozen "leaders," completely insulated from their "followers," can make decisions affecting billions with no accountability to anyone, except perhaps their fellow "leaders?"
          1. Leadership in a wolf pack rotates, but only on the basis of strength or guile according to you.  You don't believe our superior intelligence and facility with language would enable us to rotate leadership on some other basis and provide the training and preparation necessary for the new "leader" to be effective?

          It's important to be aware of human tendencies tied to our genetic makeup.  To make ourselves slaves to such tendencies is to deny humanity's ability to advance from our days as hunter-gatherers, obviously a silly contention.  Is it not the case that the more aware we are of those genetic predispositions, the more empowered we are?

          Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all. - JM Keynes

          by goinsouth on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 10:06:34 AM PDT

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        •  Sea sponges share almost 70% (0+ / 0-)

          Mankind may be descended from apes but Australian scientists have found proof of links much closer to the sea floor, with a study revealing that sea sponges share almost 70 percent of human genes.

          •  Oops, the link. (0+ / 0-)

            Per Agence France-Presse via Yahoo news.

            SYDNEY (AFP) – Mankind may be descended from apes but Australian scientists have found proof of links much closer to the sea floor, with a study revealing that sea spongesshare almost 70 percent of human genes.

            Looks like we have lots of interesting genetic connections.  Maybe that explains why the Republicans are usually dumb as sponges?

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