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  •  It's kind of late to develop a message (1+ / 0-)
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    One of the reasons why the Democrats are going to fare so poorly is that they suck at messaging. Republicans are better politicians and better at delivering their message.

    •  Some Dems are good at it (3+ / 0-)

      some aren't. Those who are good at it will keep their seats.

      The party's biggest vulnerabilities right now are our failure to do anything significant about the economic mess. Failure to lead and enact good economic policy has left us in the position of making excuses for the lack of jobs as we prepare to watch unemployment begin to rise again.

      We're paying a high price in the midterms in order to help Obama raise funds for his 2012 re-election campaign. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

      •  Messaging is a major problem (0+ / 0-)

        Democrats and liberals don't know how to get out a coherent message to support, promote, and defend their agenda. In the aftermath of the electoral debacle that is to come I think Democrats would be well-advised to fire all their campaign and media consultants and replace them with marketing experts who know how to effectively sell ideas.

        •  All the elected liberal Dems I know (1+ / 0-)
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          are very good at messaging.  The problem is with Blue Dogs and self-described centrists who are so busy trying to appeal to Republican voters they don't know how to communicate effectively about their own party.

          •  I suppose that might be because all the (0+ / 0-)

            elected liberal Dems come from constituencies who love a consistently liberal voice in Congress.

            Alas, I've no love for the Bluedogs, but as one who worked in politics in North Dakota for 15 years, I can tell, no clear progressive line is ever going to win an election there -- not in my lifetime. Members of Congress don't get elected in North Dakota without Republicans' votes.  I'm pretty sure North Dakota isn't the only State where this is true -- it's just the one that I know, first hand.

            Just sayin' . . .

            Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. -- Abraham Lincoln

            by Alice Olson on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 07:20:50 PM PDT

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          •  No they aren't (0+ / 0-)

            Obama was really horrible with the messaging on financial reform and healthcare reform.

            •  I agree that the messaging around both these big (0+ / 0-)

              legislative actions was harmful rather than helpful -- but that doesn't change my point.  Barney Frank, Jerry Nadler, even Charlie Rangel can be who they are because of their constituency -- Earl Pomeroy can't be that, for the same reason. Earl Pomeroy needs Republican votes if he's going to return to Congress every two years; and many of his Democratic voters are more conservative than most Republicans you know.  

              Barney, Jerry, Charlie don't need the votes of such people. They didn't create their liberal constituencies by the power of their rhetoric, they inherited it from the machine that preceded them. They are in safe Democratic districts -- they can say what they want to say.

              Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be. -- Abraham Lincoln

              by Alice Olson on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 07:35:19 PM PDT

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              •  My rep and senator are not from liberal areas (0+ / 0-)

                Both have to run in heavily contested races that are very competitive.  But they believe in the party and its work, so they have a much easier time selling Dem policies to voters of all persuasions.  They believe in what the party stands for - it makes a big difference.

                Some Dems  make the mistake of assuming the values and issues their party promotes are bad for Republicans and have no appeal for "centrist" voters.  They're wrong.  Dem ideals are very mainstream and appeal to most voters.  It's not hard, you just have to embrace your party and be willing to sell its agenda.  It works and its not that difficult.

            •  Obama isn't a liberal (0+ / 0-)

              He falls more in the class of politicians who place a higher value on pleasing GOP voters than Democratic ones.  Like others of similar persuasion, they don't communicate Dem values and issues well. Their message, targeted more to conservative voters becomes garbled.  They place themselves in a rhetorical straight-jacket.

      •  Spot on. (2+ / 0-)
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        We're paying a high price in the midterms in order to help Obama raise funds for his 2012 re-election campaign. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

        Spot-fucking-on.

        The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

        by Orange County Liberal on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 04:30:31 PM PDT

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    •  Well, (0+ / 0-)

      when you appeal to base racism and open fear mongering, that is a good way to motivate the scared "low information" voters to show up.  It doesn't hurt that there is a strain on the left that will help enable it.

      Daily Kos is a Democratic blog, dedicated to electing Democrats.

      by Rustbelt Dem on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 05:14:04 PM PDT

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