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  •  That's my fear... n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Saxman, Killer of Sacred Cows

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 11:28:02 AM PDT

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    •  We have been co-conspirators for 65+ years (4+ / 0-)
      1. "At least they're not Communists" was the reasoning from 1945-1990.
      1. From 1990-Present, it was "Yes, they're Wahabi Psychopaths, but they're OUR Wahabi Psychopaths."
      •  Agree. What's interesting (3+ / 0-)

        about the whole argument is "We can't leave Iraq now! The Iranians will rule the country" is that if Iran wants to try to manage THAT place, then let them.

        We as a country have no confidence in local politics other than our own.  It's the darnedest thing, especially since it's driven by the right.

        From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

        by satrap on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 11:35:30 AM PDT

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        •  We assured that Iraq would become a vassal... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...state of Iran when we walked in and deposed Saddam and his vicious clan. We didn't have to do that. We had Saddam pinned down between two no-fly zones, and no matter how much he bluffed, Iraq no longer had weapons of mass destruction and that fact was obvious to those without an agenda.

          Did anyone really think we'd be welcomed with flowers and songs, Anschluss-style? Did anyone think the Iraqis would ask us to manage their oil fields (the real motivating factor behind the Iraq War) when they had an object lesson in what happens when westerners get a "concession" to pump oil in the way the company that became BP ran roughshod over Iran?

          No, the only winner in Iraq is Ahmedinejad and the bat-turd crazy clerics who give him his marching orders. The Islamic Republic of Iran and Iraq is coming, whether the peoples of both countries like it or not. And we enabled it to happen.

          The next OneCare Happy Hour will be 8/27/10
          Tolerance is only a way-station to acceptance.

          by Pris from LA on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 12:36:54 PM PDT

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          •  Iran may have arranged that (1+ / 0-)
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            From memory, and without looking it up, I recall that Ahmed Chalabi, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and Cheney's go-to guy on Iraq, was suspected by State of being an Iranian agent. He certainly got DoD to play into Iran's hands.

            It is not within the powers of the government to help its citizens get into heaven, nor to save them from hell.

            by DanK Is Back on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 01:21:54 PM PDT

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          •  One of the things that bothers me the most (1+ / 0-)
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            about the Iraqi war is an ex-friend of mine who was liberal, went into the armed forces due to being given a choice (as a kid) between going to juvenile hll or joining the Army Reserve, went overseas, swallowed the Bush Kool-Aid, and came back a die-hard reactionary Tea Party person.

            I think the saddest point was when he told me (enthusiastically) that the Iraqi people LOVED us. How did he know? They welcomed American soldiers with the traditional "thumbs up" gesture everywhere they went. This was his version of "flowers and song, Anschluss-style."

            I didn't have the heart to explain to him that "thumbs up" in the Middle East is the same as "flipping the bird" here in America. It would have either broken his mind (what little there was left of it) or thrown him into a rage. ::sigh::

            There is an art to teaching that is independent of the subject matter. - daveinojai

            by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 01:55:05 PM PDT

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