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  •  Soooo much more to the history... (1+ / 0-)
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    Killer of Sacred Cows

    Particularly glaring is the simple fact that the philosophy followed the science. Descartes had Galileo/Kepler to jump off from, Hume and Kant had Newton, etc.

    To bring it even closer to reality, rather than the cartoon history in the diary, note that Newton absolutely demolished Descartes' swirling-vortices theory of the heavens as the  of his Principia.

    There's a lot more to the history of yesteryear than a soundbite of undergrad level (mis)information would suggest.

    I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

    by punditician on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 11:29:36 AM PDT

    •  "Cartoon history"??? (2+ / 0-)
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      Nothing you have said contradicts or even conflicts with anything I wrote. For one thing, I described Descartes as unintentionally setting off the Enlightenment; the fact that Newton disproved his science, or that various philosophers destroyed his attempts at proving God, does not change the argument that he set the process in motion - by arguing from doubt, and starting from man, and attempting to reason his way to faith.

      Further, this is not, and was not intended to be, primarily a history lesson - except to the extent that, historically, the Enlightenment has always been under attack by reactionary forces who wanted to restore the supremacy of faith. I'm writing a diary, not a history textbook.

      It is not within the powers of the government to help its citizens get into heaven, nor to save them from hell.

      by DanK Is Back on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 11:59:19 AM PDT

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      •  One more time, slowly, for the dim... (1+ / 0-)
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        It was the science that drove the bulk of the stuff you were talking about. Philosophers just jumped on the bandwagon (and they did so rightly). To the extent that your 1. is true at all, it's so in virtue of the science, not the philosophy. Philosophy merely followed along.

        Any history discussion - even soundbite level - leaving out something so fundamental and important deserves to be called "cartoonish". Kant and Hume would have been the first to acknowledge this.

        I'm gonna go eat a steak. And fuck my wife. And pray to GOD - hatemailapalooza, 052210

        by punditician on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 01:23:15 PM PDT

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        •  You lost your argument (0+ / 0-)

          when you started out with insults. I let it pass the first time, but then you doubled down. That is a sign of someone who is more interested in being clever and in showing off than one who is interested in having a serious discussion.

          It is not within the powers of the government to help its citizens get into heaven, nor to save them from hell.

          by DanK Is Back on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 05:19:05 PM PDT

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