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  •  The term "Faith" itself (1+ / 0-)
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    would certainly drive a reaction that doesn't include all the other 'isms' included by the diarist under that header. But even deeper, 'faith' is just as much a tool of the operator as 'fear' is. The operator is that economically unpredictable (in any probablistic calculation) wild card: the individual.

    Our entire system operates by faith. The oh, so 'reasonable' capitalist edifice is entirely underpinned by the faith of populations in the valuation of its currency (whether that be paper, gold, bits-bytes or cowry shells). Every generation or two - as evidenced by this "richest nation the world has ever known" - they cash out. Deflate the bubbles of fraudulent and overinflated valuation they blew up in the first place, effectively robbing the country (and world, sometimes) down to its automatic reset level to start inflating bubbles for the next cash out. None of it has much to do with the actual productive value of developed properties and manufacturing/service labor.

    Value to individuals is always a product of their faith in the value [to others, mostly in positions of authority] of their lives and work and property and ambitions. This Depression is a clear sign that we've reached another large disconnect between our own valuations-by-faith and the objective truth as it exists. We are not valued at all.

    People are fearful because their faith is revealed as false - it's been wrongly invested. But it's all they've got to make themselves feel good about themselves, so they'll fight - maybe to the death - to preserve their delusion in the face of realities they can't accept and adapt to.

    Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

    by Joieau on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 11:32:34 AM PDT

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    •  This is why reality has a liberal bias. (1+ / 0-)
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      People are fearful because their faith is revealed as false - it's been wrongly invested. But it's all they've got to make themselves feel good about themselves, so they'll fight - maybe to the death - to preserve their delusion in the face of realities they can't accept and adapt to.

      This is why I find it so hard to accept that believers in something that can't be proven by evidence (i.e. a deity) can still be intelligent. To me, self-delusion and intelligence are the antitheses of one another - they can't co-exist.

      There is an art to teaching that is independent of the subject matter. - daveinojai

      by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 01:51:10 PM PDT

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      •  Ah, but human beings are (1+ / 0-)
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        most highly adept at deception. They're so good at it that they can even deceive themselves!

        It needn't make any rational sense. Rationality requires the ability to step into an objective frame of reference. In the real world of real people, there is no objective frame of reference. Really.

        That doesn't make it dumb, it makes it blind. There's a difference, you know... ;-)

        Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

        by Joieau on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 01:56:25 PM PDT

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        •  Well, that's as may be (1+ / 0-)
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          but I'm going to continue to consider those who reject evidence in favor of self-delusion as not just blind, but unintelligent and frankly idiotic. This is one of my major irritants, really.

          There is an art to teaching that is independent of the subject matter. - daveinojai

          by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 02:06:26 PM PDT

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          •  My experience has been (1+ / 0-)
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            that while there's certainly a 'bell curve' of relative intelligence, unless there's something wrong with the equipment human beings are so intelligent that they're handicapped. On basic levels you obviously don't count as evidence thereof, but which count in the games human beings play with themselves and each other.

            It's all game theory, you know.

            Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

            by Joieau on Sun Aug 22, 2010 at 02:20:27 PM PDT

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