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  •  I don't have a problem with the 2nd amendment (1+ / 0-)
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    ER Doc

    I have a problem with the people who hold it paramount over every other amendment and who use it as a political bludgeon in every issue.

    I didn't throw an F-bomb at you, IIRC. I said something to the effect that I'm sick of every "fucking" issue being held hostage to "fucking" guns. Or something to that effect. Which was hardly leveling an f-bomb at you personally.

    •  Yeah, well you threw one at me too that day (1+ / 0-)
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      kestrel9000

      I were expecting more F-bombs today, frankly... you've done better than we expected.

      "She's petite, extremely beautiful, and heavily armed." -1995 Michael Moore documentary Canadian Bacon

      by Tom Seaview on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 03:42:35 PM PDT

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    •  "It's a fucking health care bill (1+ / 0-)
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      not a fucking gun bill" was what you said, iirc.

      Without respect to the fact that certain people would like to restrict gun rights by calling it  a health care issue.

      That part, you kind of ignored, regardless of my admittedly anecdotal personal experience that left ME convinced......

      Held hostage?

      The idea was to make sure they couldn't deny or restrict access to health care on the basis of whether or not guns are in the house. To make sure they could not even ask the question.

      See, I'm cool with that.

      Because it's not a proper question.

      Because I personally have seen that kind of shit. I told you about it at the time.

      If they want to make those two issues intertwined? Well, I can do that too.

      The music plays a second for a few.

      by kestrel9000 on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 03:47:08 PM PDT

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      •  And you're ignoring my point (0+ / 0-)

        which is I'm fine with the 2nd Amendment--all of them actually, though I'm pretty partial to the extremely beleaguered 1st and 4th. You glossed right over that one, didn't you?

        As to the specifics of the health bill, have I got a problem with the fact that guns are paramount over uteruses, you bet.

        I'm glad that you're not going to be discriminated against, but will remain pissed at a Democratic establishment that kissed up to the NRA and threw millions of low and moderate income women under the bus.

        •  How are guns (1+ / 0-)
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          paramount over uteruses?
          If one excludes the other, how about we fix THAT problem?

          The music plays a second for a few.

          by kestrel9000 on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 03:52:46 PM PDT

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          •  I remain (0+ / 0-)

            pissed at the Democratic establishment that kissed up to the NRA and threw millions of low and moderate income women under the bus.

            Which was the point of that original post, as well.

            See, it's a a rather larger metaphor for how the Dems negotiate and where their priorities lie. And in this instance, it's not in the direct provision of health care to women with unplanned, unwanted, or medically problematic pregnancies.

        •  my wife and daughter are low and moderate income (1+ / 0-)
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          and  they don't feel thrown under any bus at all. Fact they like having better protections and in 14 some help with premium.

          "slip now and you'll fall the rest of your life" Derek Hersey 1957-1993

          by ban nock on Tue Aug 24, 2010 at 04:03:49 PM PDT

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