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  •  That's exactly it. And the sorry fact (22+ / 0-)

    of the matter is that it would take him several lifetimes of good to undo all the evil he's done.

    Look at David Brock, who sold millions of books trashing Hillary Clinton and everyone to the left of protofascist.  He converted years ago, and now he's read and listened to by . . . several tens of thousands.

    •  David Brock is fully redeemed in my view. (7+ / 0-)

      He's done the work, he's recognized and admitted the deep harm he caused, and he has dedicated his life to showing the truth and exposing the liars.

      I met him at YearlyKos 2007 and had a long talk with him, and told him to his face how much I used to loathe him, and he told me, "well, I did some very hateful things, I don't blame you." I did also tell him that he had since become one of my media heroes.

      On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord. --Barack Obama

      by Jennifer Clare on Wed Aug 25, 2010 at 05:01:23 PM PDT

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      •  YMMV. (1+ / 0-)
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        My point is that the current state of American media and political discourse makes it impossible for him to undo the harm he did, no matter how hard he tries.

        Some folks grade on a curve for effort; others don't.

      •  Do you only forgive certain people? (0+ / 0-)

        Or do you forgive people even when they don't ask for or "deserve" forgiveness?

        •  I forgive people when I have an ability (0+ / 0-)

          to clear out corrosive gunk from within my own heart. Conditions vary. Whatever effect it may or may not have on the forgiven is not really my top concern.

          On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord. --Barack Obama

          by Jennifer Clare on Wed Aug 25, 2010 at 05:43:34 PM PDT

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        •  Who made those rules? (3+ / 0-)
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          In the Judeo-Christian tradition, forgiveness is often said to have two prerequisites:

          1. Confession
          1. Contrition
          1. Repentance

          As recounted in Wikipedia:

          Exhortations to the value and necessity for repentance are quite common: "I desire not the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live" (Ezekiel: 33, 11); "...But unless you repent, you too will perish." (Gospel of Luke 13:5). At times this repentance includes exterior acts of satisfaction (Psalms 6:7 sqq.); it always implies a recognition of wrong done < to God >, a detestation of the evil wrought, and a desire to turn from evil and do good.

          That's why "I'm sorry if you were offended" is not an actual apology.

          Ken is still excusing his actions and diminishing the injury done to other LGBT people. Until and unless he gets honest and sincere, he can rot in hell. I can't judge what's in his heart--I can only judge his actions. He has been complicit in violence against his own kind. He continues to sidestep his moral responsibility and to buy forgiveness with cheap grace.

          Feh.

          "[The GOP wanting to debate Obama is like saying] 'Let's see how tough Aquaman is when we get him in the water.' " --Seth Meyers

          by homogenius on Wed Aug 25, 2010 at 06:48:33 PM PDT

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          •  Oooops--s/b "three prerequisites" (0+ / 0-)

            It sounds like I'm doing "the Spanish Inquisition".

            My bad.

            "[The GOP wanting to debate Obama is like saying] 'Let's see how tough Aquaman is when we get him in the water.' " --Seth Meyers

            by homogenius on Wed Aug 25, 2010 at 07:20:59 PM PDT

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