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  •  Has there ever been a true (8+ / 0-)

    democratic state anywhere.

    I am sorry your post has been disqualified because it is not sufficiently depressing

    by missliberties on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 03:50:41 PM PDT

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    •  good question (6+ / 0-)

      probably not since some pre-nation state communal/tribal arrangements some

      "....while there is a soul in prison, I am not free." Eugene V. Debs

      by soothsayer99 on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 03:54:54 PM PDT

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    •  Not in a Capitalist system. Einstein... (17+ / 0-)

      explains why:

      Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

      Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

      by goinsouth on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 03:55:06 PM PDT

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    •  Nope.. (2+ / 0-)
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      Look at the influence of special interests and all the big money..excessive power by the corporate section is actually a form of facism.

      "Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable" - Dorothy Day

      by joedemocrat on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 04:38:29 PM PDT

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      •  which is a form of capitalism, fascism is not (9+ / 0-)

        independent from the capitalist economic system; it is a specific version of it.

        No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

        by NY brit expat on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 04:39:34 PM PDT

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        •  Is a fascist state (3+ / 0-)
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          one where either the private sector, the Church, or extreme nationalism have way too much power??

          "Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable" - Dorothy Day

          by joedemocrat on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 04:44:55 PM PDT

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          •  it is the linkage and control over the state (8+ / 0-)

            by the private sector to serve its interests ... the form in which it takes differs from traditional bourgeous democracy and capitalism where certainly the state serves the interests of the upper classes. Facism can exist independently from the church (as it did in Germany), the use of the church (by Mussolini and Franco) to support and justify their regime was especially useful due to the power of Catholicism in these countries at the time.

            Nationalism provides an ideology to unite around independent from class (remember its main theoretical political opponents were the left historically not the alternative mainstream political parties) ... nationalism provides a fake form of unity to counter the class divisions that arise in the system (this is one reason that nationalism is so incredibly dangerous as an ideology) as it shifts focus away from the true basis of the problem and shifts it to an external "us vs them."

            Many people only define fascism based upon either economic or its political tendencies; but historically these things have been unified and also adapted to different cultural and historic situations. Nicos Poulantzas, Fascism and Dictatorship did a good job analysing this.

            No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

            by NY brit expat on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:01:34 PM PDT

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            •  This is what the Republicans did (4+ / 0-)

              with the war on terror

              nationalism provides a fake form of unity to counter the class divisions that arise in the system

              They also did this with race and religion - it was meant to distract people from class issues and bust apart the New Deal Coalition and sadly it worked..

              "Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable" - Dorothy Day

              by joedemocrat on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:10:52 PM PDT

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              •  exactly, they employed tactics and methodology (4+ / 0-)

                that traditionally have been used very successfully by the right; religion and nationalism has been used for this purpose for a very long time.

                No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

                by NY brit expat on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:17:43 PM PDT

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