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  •  propaganda? (0+ / 0-)

    That's an interesting claim. Are we seeking common ground or not?

    It's certainly done an excellent job (4+ / 0-)
    of eliminating racism and sexism in the United States.

    Yes, it has.

    How do female ages compare to male again?

    Much better when they have rights, like personhood and property ownership.

    How does African American unemployment compare to whites?

    Much better in areas that are governed by merit, where market-based skills rather than social oppression governs employment opportunities.

    The "Invisible Hand"--Blessed be His Name--has done a great job eliminating those inequities.

    Adam Smith warned against precisely the consolidation of wealth and power that is destroying both democracy and capitalism in our country today.

    Ask your Member of Congress what they're doing to put Americans back to work.

    by washunate on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 04:31:01 PM PDT

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    •  But you said Capitalism solved these problems. (7+ / 0-)

      The factors you claim to be ameliorating the obvious economic discrimination against those two groups have nothing to do with markets or Capitalism.

      Much better when they have rights, like personhood and property ownership.

      No market, no employer "gave" women those rights.  They fought for them with direct action, through the courts and through electoral politics.

      Much better in areas that are governed by merit, where market-based skills rather than social oppression governs employment opportunities.

      What does this even mean?  Where are these magical areas governed by merit?  How are they naturally created by Capitalism yet are not universal in a Capitalist economy?

      Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

      by goinsouth on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 04:41:19 PM PDT

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      •  sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean (0+ / 0-)

        The factors you claim to be ameliorating the obvious economic discrimination against those two groups have nothing to do with markets or Capitalism.

        I would argue that rights are fundamental to markets and capitalism.

        No market, no employer "gave" women those rights.  They fought for them with direct action, through the courts and through electoral politics.

        Agreed. Markets don't create rights. Rather, rights have to be created to have markets. That's what makes attacks on capitalism related to oppression along socially-enforced lines of racism and sexism and sexual orientation and sexual preferences and so forth. I'm a huge fan of direct action. That's how oppression is fought, precisely because the oppressed are almost by definition excluded from the mechanisms in society by which others can get their voices heard. That exclusion is almost by definition, also, anti-capitalist.

        Ask your Member of Congress what they're doing to put Americans back to work.

        by washunate on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:04:08 PM PDT

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      •  Well he does have a point... (1+ / 0-)
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        A point Marx himself makes:  because labour becomes a commodity that is bought and sold under capitalism, the only relevant issue in capitalism is whether one can do the labor.  Hence ethnic, religious, and gender markers gradually lose importance.  We can now fill mines and factories with five year old kids, and men, women, blacks, Asians, Christians, pagans, Jews, Muslims, etc can all be exploited alongside one another in the factory together.  We all equally become slaves.  What a terrific revolution!

        •  See my point below about the motivation... (3+ / 0-)
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          to divide workers.

          I think his point really has more application to people in their role as consumers.  Capitalists will sell anything to anybody.

          Freedom without equality is a fraud. Equality without freedom is despotism. Michael Bakunin

          by goinsouth on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:23:20 PM PDT

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          •  Exactly right, rather than the black, gay, female (1+ / 0-)
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            And white worker seeing themselves as comrades in a struggle against the abuses of capital, we instead were strategically pitched against one another.  The same goes for religious differences.  The one that really floors me however is the environmentalists who don't see climate change as a direct consequence of capitalistic exploitation.  Talk about the elephant.(double entendre intended) in the room!

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