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  •  I just love it when (0+ / 0-)

    one ideological side of the fence tries to explain the other through some sort of psychological disorder (i.e. liberalism is a mental disorder).  Republican's aren't the only one to through around the fear card.

    •  Projection. (1+ / 0-)
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      Let's not forget where that pithy phrase 'Liberalism is a mental disorder' comes from. Michael Weiner. Stage name: Michael Savage. A man who described his own childhood as difficult, due to his father's "gruff and profane" personality and frequent verbal abuse. So: full of fear. A man so full of fear and hatred, he's banned from entering the United Kingdom.

      You sound like this Diary offended you, and easily.

      The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

      by ShawnGBR on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:05:23 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, I know the origins. (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, I know the origins.  I’m not offended.  I just think this sort of thing is silly.

      •  Just to add to my own comment... (2+ / 0-)
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        To address, specifically: "Republican's aren't the only one to throw around the fear card."

        As shown from the links, Jack and Jeanne Block had no interest in gauging the political leanings of 3 year-olds in 1969. The kids identified as being victimized, easily offended, indecisive, fearful, rigid, inhibited, and vulnerable at age 3 decided themselves to become conservative.

        The people that underwent the fear tests identified their own political leanings before the test. It wasn't those scary Liberals that threw an increase in skin conductivity at the consevatives, or made them flinch more.

        Conservatives did all that themselves. It's science. Cold, hard, analysis of how reality actually is. And I see your first instinct was to irrepressibly lash out at statistics, King Canute againstthe proof.

        Skin conductivity doesn't care who the President is.

        The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

        by ShawnGBR on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:18:21 AM PDT

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    •  Except that it's actual psychologists doing it. (2+ / 0-)
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      Not Anne Coulter.  So it's not just dueling ideological sides, is it.

      BREAKING: Alan Simpson not just an gaffe-prone old fart, but a demigod empowered to cut social security, disband Congress, override President. Shazzam.

      by Inland on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:10:09 AM PDT

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      •  Well yes, but (0+ / 0-)

        But, we all know that one study doesn’t make a scientific law.  Not only that, you would think this psychological disorder would be equally distributed throughout the population.  For some reason though, voting patterns are very predictable based on geography, demographics, and socio-economics (to a lesser degree).  

        •  ONE study? (2+ / 0-)
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          This one diary includes studies by:

          University of California, Riverside
          Oregon Research Institute
          University of Oregon
          University of Nebraska-Lincoln
          University College Berkeley

          The earliest paper was from 1969, the most recent from this year.

          I think we're seeing lashing out without reading the article from someone easily offended.

          The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

          by ShawnGBR on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:22:28 AM PDT

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          •  Well, I quickly read over it (0+ / 0-)

            and yes it was more than one study (sorry about that error).  OTOH, it appears that data is mostly taking from 2 studies, and that one of them included three of the institutions listed.

            Anyway, my main point is that this sort of thing is common among any ideology.  While, I'm sure there is some truth in the point of the diarist, I have a feeling that it is much more narrow than they would like.

            •  You have a feeling. (1+ / 0-)
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              Exactly the point of the diary. Well, not the all and encompassing point of the diary, but a good part of it.

              More on that another day.

              The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

              by ShawnGBR on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:39:29 AM PDT

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        •  Why do you want to call (1+ / 0-)
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          it a "disorder?" Looks to me to be a sub of personality testing. It's not like these are actual phobias, it's just different people's approach to the world.

          Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

          by Joieau on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:08:33 AM PDT

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          •  Interesting point I hadn't picked up on. (1+ / 0-)
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            The Diary, in part, was intended to show that one group contained more fearful people; and that was as a direct result of something beyond their control. It was just the way they were born. It's physiology, not a "psychological disorder".

            It's no more a "disorder" than saying ginger people have a disorder because they avoid the sun... because they were born with red hair and freckles.

            So yes, it does tell us something about the mind-set of someone who is easily offended that thinks they're under attack. Paint the issue in complete black-and-white terms. It's not a plus, so it must be the most heinous of minuses. And both sides have it, so vote Republican.

            Interesting. Thanks for picking up on it.

            The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

            by ShawnGBR on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:26:49 AM PDT

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            •  There are more than a handful (1+ / 0-)
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              of fearful, grossly oversensitive people right here on DKos lately, doing their damndest to depress votes by telling those who criticize Obama/Dem policies or performance they need to STFU, leave the country, or vote Republican. As a lifelong Democrat who has seen some nasty, 'scary' shit from the political arena going all the way back to 1963, I would never have attempted to characterize the left as "fearful." They sure as hell weren't "fearful" in Chicago in 1968!

              So by putting a little of this psychological profiling to work right here on DKos, what does it tell us about the roving gangs of "Love It or Leave It" fear-mongers as we approach mid-terms? [caveat: I've already reached some conclusions about that, I just wish it would become more obvious to others still wondering why there's so much pearl-clutching, couch-fainting and STFU'ing going on...]

              Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

              by Joieau on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:57:42 AM PDT

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              •  The beauty of the Internet... (0+ / 0-)

                ...is you can be the kind of person that IRL makes Dick Cheney look like Ryan Seacrest -- but post a few DK diaries pretending to be a Liberal and some people will believe it. Which is useful for the actual cause when they start saying "I'm not voting on Tuesday, Obama didn't do X or Y or Z" and people take it at face value.

                The current vernacular for this is Concern Trolling.

                By the way: I'm astronaut Mike Dexter.

                The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

                by ShawnGBR on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 09:07:38 PM PDT

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            •  I'm a Mom (and Grandma). (1+ / 0-)
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              Birthed a couple, adopted a few, raised many more other people's 'throw-aways'. Kids are indeed born with certain personality traits, there are many to choose from. Other traits (and psychopathologies) can be imposed or acquired.

              Of my two, my son was a cautious, careful type guy, very sensitive and shy. Didn't quickly go for new things, liked to dress well, wasn't eager to date or drive when most kids were, etc. We called him our "Token Conservative." He died young (21), one of those accidents he was always so careful to avoid. For all the good it did him.

              Daughter was gung-ho from day one. Quick-minded, courageous to a fault, a natural leader, definitely a daredevil - her teenage years were parental hell. She's still with us in her 40s and going strong in spite of herself.

              Different people with different, unique natures from the first, nothing wrong with that. Humans come in a variety of styles, this does not render anyone's nature 'wrong'. But it's absolutely no surprise that mighty 'science' has documented what Moms and other caregivers have long known. The difference between conservative and liberal - in politics, in church or anywhere else - reflects different personalities, approaches to and understandings of the world we live in. This is why self-invested positions are so resistant to change.

              Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

              by Joieau on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 04:16:37 PM PDT

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          •  Correct (2+ / 0-)
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            The studies are dealing with normal variation in temperament, particularly in the area of how secure people feel. As another example, studies of people who believe they were abducted by aliens show that they have no more psychopathology than the general public, but they do tend to have certain personality traits, such as being prone to fantasizing.

            The schools will probably teach kindergartners to play nice with everyone. — Will Phillips, on how marriage equality would affect education

            by ebohlman on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 11:56:43 AM PDT

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            •  Well, I'd suspect (1+ / 0-)
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              that believing your fantasies are real suggests some psychopathology afoot. May not present much of an issue in people's ability to do housework or alphabetize file folders, etc., and may not present a notable danger to self or others. But when I fantasize about playing disc golf on Mars or serving 'mater pie to the Queen, they're not things I'd assert under oath, swear to friends and family really happened, or volunteer to take a lie detector test about... ;-)

              Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

              by Joieau on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:24:26 PM PDT

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    •  Perhaps not (2+ / 0-)
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      but it is undeniably their centerpiece.  Scary brown people are swarming over the border to take your job and rape your women!  Every Muslim in the world is a jihadi!  Social security is bankrupt!  Saddam Hussein was about to nuke you!  Obama is a sleeper terrorist planted 47s ago!  

      Sure, it's the nature of ideological conflict for each side to represent the threats of the other.  But Republicans have raised it to a ludicrous level, hence the timely satire in this diary.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:11:45 AM PDT

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      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        I agree that fear is a tool of the Republican party right now.   I’m not going to argue that point, but I don’t think that it is unique to conservatives.  Liberals use fear as a motivator just as often, especially when it comes to reforming any kind of entitlement.

        •  Except that benefit cuts (4+ / 0-)
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          which will directly affect you, are a genuine possible impact, whereas Saddam's imaginary bomb was a made-up one.  I think that's a pretty important distinction.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:26:57 AM PDT

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          •  And there is legit reason (0+ / 0-)

            to have fear about some conservative issues too, but both sides exaggerate.  

            •  This equivalence thing just doesn't hold up. (3+ / 0-)
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              Yes, both sides fearmonger, both side exaggerate, and so on.  But as with the examples I provide, it is clearly the case that the contemporary Republican party does it MORE.  A LOT more.  

              Actually I miss the days when there were Conservaties who wanted to conserve something.  Anything.  What Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II did to the deficit was dramatically worse than what any intervening administrations did.  Though I'm straying from the topic of fear-mongering to the topic of fiscal policy.  My point is:  false equivalence.

              But I grant you that pyschologizing is the softest of soft science, and easily misapplied in silly ways.

              "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

              by lgmcp on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:36:59 AM PDT

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              •  The authoritarian right (2+ / 0-)
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                has ample reason to control its minions with fear, as fear is what motivates their 'base' (according to studies like this). But when will the liberal left figure out that its 'base' isn't motivated by fear? I hate it when "our side" uses this tactic. Not nearly as often as the other guys, but enough to make me wonder what the hell ever happened to the "Home of the Brave."

                Now, more than ever, we need the Jedi.

                by Joieau on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:12:42 AM PDT

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        •  Please point to an example (1+ / 0-)
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          of liberals making up reasons to be fearful out of whole cloth, in the way Republicans have done with death panels, outright lies about crime in U.S. border areas, terror babies, and the like.

          Good luck.

          "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

          by happy camper on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 06:46:36 AM PDT

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          •  That reminds me of a graphic... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...called the Wall Of Poutrage. Every time there's a new 'outrage' (World Cup soccer ball is really Obama logo, Burlington Coat Factory is a hallowed site, telling kids to stay in school is indoctrination, etc.), the image gets more crowded.

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            This is the latest version of it I could find. Maybe there's a Chrysler Cordoba (with rich Corinthian leather) on it now.

            The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

            by ShawnGBR on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:03:34 AM PDT

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    •  i'd love it more if we could... (1+ / 0-)
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      .... get all those righties into treatment.  

      A good psychiatrist, the right medications, lots of counseling, and a couple of lifestyle changes, could work wonders.  

      •  Nope (1+ / 0-)
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        As I and others mentioned elsewhere in comments, the correlations are with normal variation in personality traits, not with psychopathology.

        The schools will probably teach kindergartners to play nice with everyone. — Will Phillips, on how marriage equality would affect education

        by ebohlman on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 12:01:47 PM PDT

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