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  •  I wouldn't have a problem with a lack of (0+ / 0-)

    principles if I thought they were legitimately pragmatic. They aren't.  Anyone thinking they can sell the third rail of American politics (cutting Social Security in anyway) is delusional.

    •  I don't trust people who don't have principles. (0+ / 0-)

      End of story.  

      This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

      by ThAnswr on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 08:25:30 PM PDT

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      •  I don't either. But, this isn't about trust (1+ / 0-)
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        This is about understanding people with different perspectives than myself and understanding whether what they say on the terms they have set make sense or is there yet another perspective guiding them.

        This is about whether even on their own terms- claims of political pragmatism - does what they say make sense.

        In that sense, my point is that they are equally nonsensical. Thus, your argument over focus on hero worship makes more sense.

        Someone else point it like this: Its not like they are truly even interested in the Democratic Party despite their claims. If they were, they would be asking what does the policy failures or shift in policies mean for the Democratic Party? What does even the appearance of shifts means for the party? And, yet, again this is not the real concern. The real concern is how it affects the president. And, not in a pragmatic "he can win with this at the polls way, but in a superficial- I want to believe in him so don't harsh my buzz with him shooting himself in the foot."

        I mean anyone who could not see it was a bad idea to support the president when he was pushing a stimulus that would not address the down turn when the economy primary shapes elections isn't someone dealing in pragmatic reality

        Even if they lack principles, survival instincts alone would tell them let's make sure we give people policies that will help the economy since that will influence whether those people vote for us or not. Again- not even a consideration. Instead, the typical response is to lash out at anyone who doesn't just buck up and accept it. Or to claim that people are accepting it regardless of what data actually shows on the public's views.

        •  You could stop right here (1+ / 0-)
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          Thus, your argument over focus on hero worship makes more sense.

          Everything revolves around Obama.  All manna flows from Obama.  It is what the old Communists used to call "The Cult of Personality".  

          Because of this focus on Obama and his inability to capitalize on the political gifts he was given by the voters, pragmatism took on a whole new meaning.  

          Pragmatism was no longer doing what was necessary to get the job done.  The new pragmatism redefined for Obama meant "getting something done".  Whether that something was adequate to the job at hand became irrelevant.  

          It's been a fascinating study.  

          However, while I agree with much of what you say, I wouldn't discount the idea of trust.  Ultimately, there comes a time when we all have to make a leap of faith to move forward.  You need trust and belief in the other's credibility to do that.  

          Even if they lack principles, survival instincts alone would tell them let's make sure we give people policies that will help the economy since that will influence whether those people vote for us or not.

          I've been saying the same thing but more focused on Obama.  If no other reason, the viability of his presidency would have told him to change course.  He hasn't.  

          So we're left with 2 possibilities:

          1.  Either Obama is truly clueless and doesn't even realize how much trouble his presidency is in.
          1.  He doesn't care.  

          The truth is, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter as the end result is the same.  

          This thread is full of trolls, at least one of which is very likely a zombie. Zombies and trolls: Seen any elves lately?

          by ThAnswr on Fri Aug 27, 2010 at 09:00:04 PM PDT

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          •  Trust is important and agree (1+ / 0-)
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            his motivation is irrelevant. And, no, I don't trust him or his supporters here. Too many games being played in the last year that are obvious games.

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