Skip to main content

View Diary: Bill Moyers wants you to read this (259 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  I'm sure voters would love us (0+ / 0-)

    if we just proposed ambitious legislations that fil to pass the senate. For example, we could propose a 3 rillion stimulus and government program. Too bad it didn't pass congress. But I'm sure the voters would understand. We could propose a single-payer healthcare that costs $0. Too bad it stalled in the senate. Oh well- I'm sure the voters would love to hear what glorious proposals we treid to push through but failed.

    •  You realize.. (8+ / 0-)

      ..the concept that "everything better didn't have the votes" is an unproven syllogism that politicians have been using since the days of Grog and Urg for keeping the masses complacent.

      "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

      by Wayward Son on Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 04:06:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Actually it is well proven (3+ / 0-)

        You do understand there is a 60 vote rule in the senate, right?

        In the House where a simple majority rules, we managed to pass HCR with a public option, a full 6-7 months before the senate. So that shows you, where they have the power, democrats have been carrying water for us.

        •  You do understand (4+ / 0-)

          that the Democratic majority in the Senate could abolish the filibuster tomorrow if it wanted to, don't you?  They have chosen not to do so, which just shows you, where they have the power, Democrats have not necessarily been carrying water for us.

          Maladie d'Amour, Où l'on meurt d'Aimer, Seul et sans Amour, Sid'abandonné

          by FogCityJohn on Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 09:11:53 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Not only false, but missing the point. (0+ / 0-)

          No, there is no 60 vote rule in the Senate.  How many votes did it take to pass the Bush tax cuts?  You'll note.. the answer is less than 60.

          And as for missing the point, let me try a little harder.

          You want your county to build a rec center.  Your commissioner says, we don't have the votes to do that, but we do have the votes to put up a sign that says 'Future Site of the Rec Center'.  You are happy with this, because it had the votes to pass, and assume that this was the best you could get.

          Sigh.

          "To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well." Justice Robert Jackson, Chief Prosecutor, Nuremberg.

          by Wayward Son on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 09:28:47 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Nobody's looking at "checklists of passed bills (13+ / 0-)

      with positive-sounding names" except political insiders. The population is looking for someone who is fighting in our interests, whether or not that results in an immediate win.

      Telling people you've passed an "Affordability" bill while their premiums are going up, and coverage is sketchier and health outcomes grow riskier, ... the handful of self-flattering "realists," with their 1995 vision of politics, might delude themselves, but in the real world voters are saying "WTF?! How does this cost me less? What kind of crap are you pushing on me?"

      Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

      by Jim P on Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 04:20:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  OK, so your single-payer-bill which will never (0+ / 0-)

        pass will help these voters how?

        By the way, plenty of people are already benefiting from the pre-existing condition ban.

        •  Trying. The key word here is "Trying" (13+ / 0-)

          It wins you votes in future elections. It raises the point from which you begin negotiations, thereby increasing the likelihood of getting a better outcome.

          It makes people think you are on their side, and not their enemies.

          Re: Preexisting conditions. Have you ever heard of the phrase used in politics called "throw them a bone?"

          There are roughly four million people uninsured because of pre-existing conditions, and Democrats touted the new program as one of the best immediate provisions of health care reform. But the [ Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan]'s administrators have said they expect it to reach only 350,000 over the next three years. The program is run by the federal government in 22 states and by the state government in the rest.

          Kaiser Health News reported that 3,600 people have applied and about 1,200 have been approved for the PCIP. An obstacle is the program's steep premiums, which range from $140 to $900

          350,000 out of 4,000,000 is 8.75%

          Can you see why, yes hooray! hooray! 9 of 100 people covered is good, but 91 out of 100 NOT getting covered is not so good?

          Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

          by Jim P on Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 04:46:10 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  they're looking for legislation that changes (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        blueoasis, m00finsan

        their lives for the better. like medicare for all. pissing on their heads and telling them it's raining simply doesn't work with a straightforward issue like this one.

        "the Blanche Lincolns of the world are the heart, soul and face of the national Democratic Party" - Glenn Greenwald

        by output on Mon Aug 30, 2010 at 11:35:01 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site