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  •  You (and I) can have these sentiments (1+ / 0-)
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    yet it is crazy to believe that any of those goals will be achieved at the present time by slamming and tearing down the Democratic party, especially this President.

    For everyone so surprised and amazed that Dems aren't perfect: where have you been.

    There has been positive movement in the right direction and it's a damn shame that this movement has been spun by some "Democratic" or "progressive" blogs as evil.  This negative advocacy is directly against my best interests and that of average Americans, period.  

    •  Excuse me (0+ / 0-)

      who the fuck is continuing extraordinary rendition. Who the fuck is continuing the torture. Who the fuck is extending the war in afghanistan while forcing our troops to hold political parades and pretend Iraq is over? Who killed the public option specifically when a deal was being worked out?

      Pretending lies are the truth is a republican thing. Blind obedience to an authority is a republican thing. Fucking over your country and your belief system in servitude to an authority figure is a republican thing. When did we become republicans? When did it become necessary for us to be dishonest and to pretend to be republicans in order to be progressives?

      And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

      by cdreid on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 08:22:58 AM PDT

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      •  No, excuse me (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not "pretending" to be Republican nor am I so stupid that I have twisted myself into thinking that the Democratic party is indistinguishable from the GOP. I have long taken issue with this country's foreign policy excesses and that has not stopped now.  Yet I will not deny REALITY such as the end of combat operations and the torture regime which the GOP put in place.

        That's why I'm not a purity troll.  Go ahead and imagine that the parties are the same; I don't have time for this type of bullshit and neither does the lion's share of the Democratic base or the international community for that matter.

        •  Ya end of combat operations. (0+ / 0-)

          56,000 trooops still there. 50k minimum of them permanently. Not including blackwater mercenaries.  But.. there was a nice politiccal parade.

          Nice straw horse sayign i pretend the parties are the same though.

          and ya know i guess if a few children get tortured.. a few dozen innocents get blown to hell by predator drones.. i guess thats an acceptable cost to propping up the political image of a politician. theyre just brownskins.

          And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

          by cdreid on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 09:07:10 AM PDT

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          •  End of combat operations means end of combat (1+ / 0-)
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            operations and as the Prime Minister of Iraq made clear we can let the doorknob hit us on the behind on the way out; we are out.  You can be happy or unhappy with the noncombat troop presence but the war is over.

            And your second paragraph is purity bullshit: a device in which you imagine that those of us who don't buy into "both parties are the same" sophistry must think that everything is just fine and great.  Sorry, I recognize progress for what it is and the perfect is not the enemy of the good to me.  If I collapsed at the instances of injustice and innocent children suffering I wouldn't even need to leave THESE shores for that collapse.  A lot of people are being hurt and harmed in this world.  Again I ask where the hell have you been?

            Dems>GOP.  And anyone trying to advocate otherwise or who is busy spinning what Dems have managed to accomplish as evil, is acting against MY best interests.

            •  Your guy (0+ / 0-)

              approved torture. Approved extraordinary rendition. Screwed us on hcr. Is forcemarching our troops in a political "victory" parade. You guys are spinning iraq as "over" and "won" and lying through youre teeth pretending the US soldiers in iraq are suddenly flowerchildren who aretn gettign shot at, bombed ,blown to hell. Because its politically expedient.

              Sorry my mind doesnt work like yours. I cant pretend that  everything i care about doesnt matter so long as my "team captain" looks good.

              And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

              by cdreid on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 09:51:00 AM PDT

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              •  Bullshit! (0+ / 0-)

                Your entire first paragraph is spin from start to finish as well as a vile accusation of ignoring reality in favor of a perfect stranger who I will likely never meet.

                Once again I have to repeat as you don't seem to have been listening: your antics and that of other purity partisans here with your ridiculous spin are against MY best interests and that of average Americans in this country.  On behalf of my unborn children either help make progress or go sit down somewhere sulking until this country has pulled back from the excesses which have been YEARS in the making.

                Outside of either/or ville one need not imagine that the situation is perfect to understand that progress is being made.  And that progress started on November 2, 2008.

                Goodbye.

                •  All this time (0+ / 0-)

                  and youre still delusional.

                  So you'll quite happily ignore the american boys and girls dying and being maimed. Because it furthers your political goals to do so. You'll happily pretend predators and US bullets killign iraqis arent happening. Because it furthers your political goals. Because to you.. they dont matter. Theyre pawns. Bye now.

                  And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

                  by cdreid on Wed Sep 01, 2010 at 05:37:30 AM PDT

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                  •  This is precisely what I'm talking about (0+ / 0-)

                    the accusation in your second paragraph is ludicrous.  It is an either/or.  I reject that construction.  What I will give you points for is stating your opinions without pulling a faux victim routine.

                    But you don't get to announce: "my way or the highway," in that either I sign onto your condemnation of this administration, or somehow my years-long opinions and thoughts about US foreign policy has changed.  That is sophistry IMO.

                    •  Noone (0+ / 0-)

                      is saying "my way or the highway". In fact just the oppposite.

                      I also am not demanding you "condemn this administration. You are so. so. so. wrong on this administration but i not only welcome honest fans of Obama but believe we need them.

                      It seems from yoru words though that you would have those who arent buying the bullshit silenced:

                      On behalf of my unborn children either help make progress or go sit down somewhere sulking until this country has pulled back from the excesses which have been YEARS in the making.

                      Your words not mine. And personally i dont think blindly supporting a guy who is furthering those abuses re foreign policy and human rights is 'pulling us back".

                      And Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

                      by cdreid on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 05:21:19 PM PDT

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