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  •  That's a state not an action (3+ / 0-)
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    3goldens, wilderness voice, Lucy2009

    He asked what has Obama done, not what Obama is.

    •  "Recovering a rational stance" is something he (3+ / 0-)
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      flatford39, KayCeSF, TofG

      has DONE. ("He recovered it" is an action.) Restoring the stance of a reasonable, rational person and replacing the image of a cowboy who shoots from the hip is  BIG accomplishment to the world, IMO.

      And I'm willing to give him four more years to expand on work still in progress. In this atmosphere even an omniscient genius will be stymied. It'll take some time
      to see what he was up against.

      •  Wow! Four more years! (4+ / 0-)

        Imagine how great his image will be then! Unfortunately, I can't eat his image or pay my mortgage with it or pay my health insurance tax with it.

        •  Hey, Anthony, let's talk just like two human (0+ / 0-)

          beings here for a minute, okay? Let's forget the barbs and just pretend we bumped into each at a deli and are sharing a sandwich and coffee.

          Obama OR his image can't be expected to pay your mortgage, can it?

          In my wildest hate Bush days, I didn't expect Bush or his image to pay my mortgage or my healthcare. I paid for my healthcare by letting myself be drafted in the sixties. But I also have a personal physician I go to, and I pay him out-of-pocket.

          I don't expect Obama or anyone else to help me and my wife if the big one hits in CA either for about 72 hours or more.

          And frankly, I think this society is collapsing and will collapse no matter who is in charge of it.

          I blame this on the present rotten state of capitalism, and no Obama or anyone way to the left of Obama can probably stop this enormous gulf from getting bigger between the rich and the poor. I support Obama at this stage for severely practical reasons: I just think he's the most reasonable candidate we have who can get elected who can get us some progressive legislation.  

          We may like a Eugene V. Debs to take over the government (I'm serious; I thought I would see a true leftist in charge of this nation before I died) but it ain't gonna happen till maybe after a collapse. Even then I don't count on it, because this nation has given me evidence that in a real crisis it may swing right and never left.  

          For now, you can stay disappointed, go ahead. I intend to vote for Boxer and Brown in CA in November, and Barack in 2012.

          •  OK, like two humans (0+ / 0-)

            And frankly, I think this society is collapsing and will collapse no matter who is in charge of it.

            I agree with this. The system has to change, as It changed after the '30s and after the '70s. The economic model is broken. Bretton Woods II is broken. We can't continue to borrow and buy junk from China while outsourcing all the jobs except the crappiest which are filled by even more desperate immigrants.

            But the fall can be mitigated. You can treat Great Depression II like Hoover or like Roosevelt. Neither stopped the fall, but Roosevelt alleviated the suffering.

            I don't expect Obama to pay my mortgage. I expect him to fight for my job so that I can pay for it myself. I expect him to stand with me and my union brothers, not with the Republicans and Wall Street. Obama is the new Hoover.

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