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  •  When (0+ / 0-)

    Has it ever stopped a single corporatist bill?

    And 36 states don't have the filibuster.  are they unamerican?

    •  Dems used it widely (0+ / 0-)

      From wiipedia:

      The Democrats had been using the filibuster to prevent the confirmation of conservative appellate court candidates nominated by President George W. Bush. In the Republican-controlled 108th Congress, ten Bush judicial nominees had been filibustered by the minority Democrats. The ten Bush appellate nominees who were filibustered were Miguel Estrada, Priscilla Owen, Charles W. Pickering, Carolyn Kuhl, David W. McKeague, Henry Saad, Richard Allen Griffin, William H. Pryor, William Gerry Myers III and Janice Rogers Brown.

      If we hadn't used these the corporatist agenda would have had a field day in the courts.

      Then it was GOP who wanted to get rid of it.

      The original filibuster was one of the great checks and balances of our system, and we need to preserve it.

      Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

      by MakeChessNotWar on Fri Sep 03, 2010 at 08:34:28 PM PDT

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      •  aoei (1+ / 0-)
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        Ultimately 5 of those people were confirmed.  The primary reason being that the Republicans threatened to use the "nuclear option" to get rid of the filibuster on 51 votes, so the Democrats in the Gang of 14 caved completely and gave the republicans all the nominees (the others had withdrawn).

        No further nominees of Bush's were filibustered.

        So 6 years of Bush and a Republican congress and all the filibuster stopped was 5 subordinate court Judges.  Against that, in the current congress it shaved over $100B off the stimulus, killed the public option, killed the winddown bank fund, and may yet result in the tax cuts for the rich being extended or made permanent, including the now 0 estate tax.

        Oh, also, the Federal courts have record vacancies because abuse of the filibuster means Obama's nominees are not being confirmed.  

        Ultimately though, I have to ask, what real protection is a rule that can be undone by majority vote?  If Social Security is ever on the actual chopping block and the only thing saving it is a Democratic Senate filibuster, do you really think the GOP will let that stop them?  

        •  The point is that undoing it is (0+ / 0-)

          a "nuclear option'. Even the GOP is wary of going there.

          The filibuster used to require effort. Now it is too easy. Make people stay up all night. The filibuster used to work fine. Just restore the traditional rules.

          Whoever dumps the filibuster will pay a huge price when they are in the minority.

          The GOP has trashed our entire system of government with their obstructionism. If we are in the minority next year we mus pay them back big-time. No more "high road" crap. World Wrestling Federation rules apply. Break out the chairs and brass knuckles and teach them we can get down and dirty, too.

          Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

          by MakeChessNotWar on Sat Sep 04, 2010 at 06:33:04 PM PDT

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