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  •  Your useless overspending... (1+ / 0-)
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    Kitsap River

    is someone else's quality of life so we disagree on that as well...

    We will never have cost structures of some other countries...we as Americans expect more and deserve more...

    As an example, in many countries women do not get reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy...in this country we do...should we eliminate that???  I say no...

    My father who is 79 year old active tennis and golf player just got a hip replacement...in many countries that would be luxury...in this country I say it is required...

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 07:57:00 AM PDT

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    •  There's plenty of evidence to the contrary (3+ / 0-)
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      for example U.S. spends $700 billion on unnecessary medical tests

      This article explains things in a bit more detail . . .

      The bottom line is that that $700 billion would more or less cover all the uninsured people in the USA.  However, the other 5/6ths are no way in hell going to give up their unneccesary test, procedures, surgeries, etc.

      •  While there are certaintly... (0+ / 0-)

        some testing that can be "rationalized" through coordination of care...many people like the ones in my family who have complicated medical histories would disagree with rationing testing...

        The waste is where my doctor orders a MRI and then the hospital orders another one because they want a slightly different MRI...

        Obama - Change I still believe in

        by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 08:19:49 AM PDT

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      •  Roadbed Guy - great post and well said! (3+ / 0-)
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        Quick question, how do you feel that the 403 billionaires affect health care costs? Personally I think they spend a lot of money on Washington lobbyists making sure that health care in America stays for profit, and expensive.

        sig... You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

        by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 08:32:18 AM PDT

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        •  I have no personal knowledge on either (1+ / 0-)
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          the personal health care needs of the billionaires, nor do I know of their record in health care lobbying. . . .

          No matter what the latter might be, I see no need to particularly demonize the billionaires, after all they'd just be doing

          1. what is in their own self interest - what's wrong with that? (there's plenty of feeling on this site, for comparison, that it'd be better if the low economic strata *would* do more in their own self interest . . . . suppose one has to be consistent on this issue).
          1. what we as a society allow them to do . . .
          •  To Roadbed Guy - you're right (1+ / 0-)
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            We as a society allow the billionaires to do what they do and that is a serious problem but what we need to do to change that?

            What do you and some of other readers think about that question?

            sig... You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

            by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 12:28:47 PM PDT

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            •  Well, I suppose a dramatic overhaul of (2+ / 0-)

              the tax system, shipping jobs overseas, etc etc is required to reduce the number of billionaires that are coming into existence.  Not sure if that's going to happen . . .

              As far as their influence over the electoral process - methinks what might actually be doable is to ensure that there is full disclosure about who is paying for all political advertising.

              That might be more effective than is immediately apparent -  given the trouble the likes of Rachel Maddow has uncovering this type of thing, alot of billionaire-type cockroaches clearly like to stay in the shadows . . . . I say shine light on them.  Somewhat relatedly, the most effective way to get corporations to stop polluting turned out not to be to enact laws preventing them from polluting, but simply to enact laws fully disclosing what and where they were polluting. . . ..   I'd like to speculate that the same principles roughly apply here.  

              •  To Roadbed Guy - that's a very cool post (1+ / 0-)
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                I think it has a lot of merit. Let me ask you and some of our other readers if I may please, how can we get to full disclosure on that issue?

                sig... You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

                by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 01:38:17 PM PDT

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                •  Here's a few specifics of the program (0+ / 0-)

                  I was referring to:

                  The TRI program is a pollution disclosure program. Since 1987, companies have been required to report toxic releases to air, land, and water, as well as toxic waste that is treated, burned, recycled, or disposed of. Approximately 26,000 industrial facilities report information about any of the 650 chemicals in the program.

                  The TRI program was established in 1986, following a devastating chemical accident in Bhopal, India. December 4th marks the twenty-sixth anniversary of this accident, where thousands of people immediately lost their lives from exposure to chemicals, and tens of thousands have since died from continued contamination. Soon thereafter, Congress passed and President Reagan signed the Emergency Planning and Community Right-to-Know Act, which established the Toxics Release Inventory.

                  The Toxics Release Inventory has been credited with a wide range of successes. Since the TRI program began, disposals or releases of the original 299 chemicals tracked have dropped nearly 60 percent. A U.S. PIRG Education Fund analysis showed that releases of chemicals linked to health effects have decreased as well. Between 1995 and 2000, releases to air and water of chemicals known to cause cancer declined by 41 percent.

                  Of course, the Bush Administration seems to have put the kibosh on these reporting requirement ca. 2005 which is now allowing the frackers to run wild and unchecked wrt to natural gas shale extraction . . .  Do'h!!!

    •  But kidney transplants for 65 year olds are not? (1+ / 0-)
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      Or so you seem to say up above, in an earlier comment thread.

      You seem to think that a 65 year old, who could easily live another 15-20 years of high-quality active life with a kidney transplant, doesn't deserve one.

      Living kidney donor needed; type B, O, or incompatible (with paired donation). Drop me a note (see profile).

      by Kitsap River on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 01:38:21 PM PDT

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      •  I've gone back and forth with him before (2+ / 0-)

        Without answering for him, I'll just say that a number of people have the attitude, "It's working for me. So don't change anything, even if it's to try to make it work for you, too."

        My reply? Our health care system works great for you. I hear you. I'm glad. But Kitsap River wants it to work for her, too, and we're working to make that happen. If you can't bring yourself to help, at least get out of the way.

        To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

        by kareylou on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 02:15:54 PM PDT

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