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  •  Then give me the rates. (2+ / 0-)
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    vacantlook, eXtina

    How much will the policy cost.  How much will the deductible be.  You don't know so how can you say one way or the other.

    •  The cost depends on your income... (0+ / 0-)

      and subsidies and/or free if you have litle or no income (less than 133% of FPL)

      Crappy is junk insurance definition...cost aside...those policies will be outlawed in the exchanges

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      by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 08:15:02 AM PDT

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      •  Sorry. Wrong. (0+ / 0-)

        Too 'wealthy' to qualify for subsidies. Too poor to afford coverage. The subsidies were designed based on national statistics not local ones that throw me out of the pool. It's not a lie.

        •  My comment is on the... (0+ / 0-)

          quality of the policy...not the cost of the policy...the quality of the policies are strictly regulated so for the 30 million newly insureds who can afford with or without subsidies it will be good insurance with good coverage including no recision and no lifetime caps...

          Is it possible that in your particular case you are one of the 6% not anticipated t be covered because you are too wealthy to qualify for subsidies but not wealthy to afford premiums...

          Perhaps that is true...but millions will be helped and you are no worse off than you are today.../peace

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          by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 11:44:15 AM PDT

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          •  yeah boo hoo for me (0+ / 0-)

            Is it possible that in your particular case you are one of the 6% not anticipated t be covered because you are too wealthy to qualify for subsidies but not wealthy to afford premiums...

            because my representatives in congress did nothing about accounting for the vast disparity in living costs between ny and nebraska and now i have an unaffordable ER bill which will likely near $2000k

            too bad, fuck me, right? you and your fucking statistics

            •  Yes I understand that it would make you... (0+ / 0-)

              personally upset that HCR may not personally benefit you.../peace

              So let me ask you a question, could you afford an additional tax on your earnings of say 10% over what you currently make in order to fund your healthcare....that is what other countries charge...

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              by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 12:12:50 PM PDT

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      •  This "subsidies" idea irritates me too. (2+ / 0-)
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        kareylou, Willa Rogers

        Okay, so insurance is so expensive and unaffordable that the government will help people pay for it.

        In other words, instead of doing real cost containment, the government will just waste lots more unnecessary tax money by shoveling it to insurance companies' profits.

        Remember, this "HCR" law was in large part written by insurance industry insiders.

        •  As one who will qualify for a subsidy in 2014 (1+ / 0-)
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          I couldn't agree more. I do not look forward to taking hard-earned taxpayer's money, for example taking money from a fireman and handing it over to an insurance executive. I do not look forward to taking money from my neighbor the taxi cab driver and handing it over to the guy who tried to rescind my insurance when I was diagnosed with cancer. I do not think this is a good use of taxpayer dollars.

          To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

          by kareylou on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 02:22:50 PM PDT

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          •  To qualify .. I'm glad it's going to help people (1+ / 0-)
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            kareylou

            ... rather than the tax money going to, say, start another few wars.

            I'm all for tax money going to help people like you who need it.  I'm socialistic that way.  But ...

            Not when there are proven better, cheaper, more economically sensible ways of achieving the same end.  

            And not when those proven, more sensible ways are taken off the table from the start so politicians in Washington can turn "reform" into a great big disguised gift to insurance companies.

    •  LaneJ - Why doesn't the world buy American health (2+ / 0-)
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      vacantlook, eXtina

      care? America has the best health care in the world how come American insurance companies can't sell it to overseas offices?

      sig... You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

      by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 08:34:21 AM PDT

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      •  Canadians are just running over the border (2+ / 0-)
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        to get US healthcare.  Not!  But that is what they would have us believe.  It's just such a pathetic joke of a system, and the joke is on us.

        •  Americans are buying Canadian health insurance (0+ / 0-)

          cards on the black market and sneaking into Canada for free health care, not the other way around. The way right wing zombies would have us believe immigrants are doing. You won't see that on the TV news.

        •  When they are put on waiting lists... (0+ / 0-)

          they absolutely come to the US...unfortunately also Canada has used the US as their surplus provider when they run out of rationed resources...

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          by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 11:45:08 AM PDT

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          •  They only have to wait for elective surgery. (1+ / 0-)
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            And probably not much longer than people here wait.  If it is an emergency, Canadians are treated right away.  Also, there will always be wealthy people who travel to other countries for care.  Farrah Fawcet, who could afford the very best of care here, went to Germany for some experimental treatment.  So yes, some people can and do travel for care but no average Canadians are chomping at the bit to cross the border to pay astronomical prices for US healthcare.

            •  Not true...this is directly from their own stats. (0+ / 0-)

              http://www.albertahealthservices.ca/...

              Page 18...50% had to wait nearly 3 weeks for thier first cancer consult and at least 10% waited over 6 weeks...completely unacceptable...

              My wife had an appointment in 3 days with MSKCC...

              Care to look at the rest of the report...

              Elective surgery is 8 weeks to 20 weeks (page 16) wait...that would mean that my dad would have been in a wheel chair for up to 20 weeks waiting for his hip replacement surgery...

              Simply NOT ACCEPTABLE...

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              by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 12:17:19 PM PDT

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        •  To LaneJ - you're right the joke is on us (1+ / 0-)
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          The sad truth is not too many people can laugh about it. I guess that makes it a bit of a sad joke.

          All except for the for-profit insurance sector. Now those folks are laughing all of the way to the bank. What do you think?

          sig... You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

          by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 12:16:44 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not laughing. (2+ / 0-)
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            Democrats Ramshield, kareylou

            I haven't had healthcare in many years and I don't expect to ever get any.  I just keep wondering how long before something really bad happens to me.  It keeps me awake at night.  

            •  To LaneJ - It makes me feel sad to hear that (2+ / 0-)
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              kareylou, LaneJ

              I am personally sadden to hear that.

              There is no earthly reason why the United States which is the richest country on the planet earth can not do  what every other industrialized nation on the planet does: which is the provide some type of universal medical access to all US residents, as a basic human right.

              What we have to do is to raise awareness of that fact and also raise awareness of this issue so that during the election, democratic candidates will put this on their agenda.  What has happened to you and other great Americans like yourself is not acceptable. We can work for a European style social safety net in America.

              But one more thing we can do. We can make information available to people about immigrating to the European Union because for some people that will be the only way that they can get quick access to life saving medical care. To that end I want to make the following link available to you and some of other readers.
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              The European Dream VS the American Dream, do you want to be 1 of the 4 million expats living abroad?

              http://www.streetprophets.com/...

              sig... You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

              by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 12:44:07 PM PDT

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              •  Thank you. (2+ / 0-)
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                Democrats Ramshield, kareylou

                Diaries like this help keep this issue front and center.  I have looked into moving to Canada but they have a point system and I don't qualify.  I will read your link.  

                I have been railing over the healthcare inequity for years, way before it came up in the last election.  There just isn't any excuse for it.  No excuse at all.  And the legislation that was passed just keeps us on the same for-profit, unsustainable system.

                •  To LaneJ - Thanks for the post (1+ / 0-)
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                  LaneJ

                  I would like to invite you or some of the other readers who may be interested in joining the American expat community, in the European country of their choice. To that end, please feel free to email me.

                  Here's my email: democratsramshield@yahoo.com

                  Thanks again for all the great comments and support! I think that's the bottom line. We all have to able to support each other. This way no one is ever alone.

                  sig... You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

                  by Democrats Ramshield on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 01:11:21 PM PDT

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