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  •  Very little compared to Medicare... (0+ / 0-)

    and Medicaid...

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    by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 09:26:17 AM PDT

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    •  Again, why do you defend the industry so? (1+ / 0-)
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      What value does it bring to our collective health?

      Why are you enamored with illness profit?
      Personally I find the concept quite macabre.

      •  Well let me tell you why... (0+ / 0-)

        collectively my wife and I have incurred over a million dollars of medical expenses over the past 8 years and have had all of those expenses paid to the penny of the contractual obligation with absolutely no denial of care...all by 3 different private insurers...

        So with proper regulation...private insurers can work...and that can provide choice for those who want to keep private insurance...now should we have a program like a Medicare buy-in option, sure I am in favor of that...

        But in this country as in some other universal healthcare countries, a properly regulated health insurance industry can be part of the solution...

        Frankly, I do not want the only solution to be a government run insurance program, because if they make choices that I disagree with then I want the choice to get private insurance...

        Talk to union members, state workers, teachers, health care providers and others that have "gold-plated" plans and they will tell you the same thing...not one size fits all...

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        by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 09:39:47 AM PDT

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        •  You are uncommonly fortunate. (2+ / 0-)
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          The "multiple levels of care based upon income level" is obscene.

          "Medically necessary" is the only standard needed, and central to single payer.

          This is not a consumer product, and until every American has access to care to the degree you and your wife have, those who don't will pay for it with their lives, their savings and their credit.

          The only private insurers operating in countries with universal, affordable (under $7k per person) care are operating non-profit.

          So your distaste with "government run" (disingenuous--"government financed" is accurate) health care will have you refusing Medicare when of age?

          And what does it matter if the current legislation does not reduce costs instead of reducing the rate of increase of costs?

          It's still unsustainable.

          •  We will always have higher costs... (0+ / 0-)

            becuase we allow 79 year olds who are still active to get hip replacement surgery and 65 year olds to get kidney transplants even if statistically they will only live for 2 years (but so far have lived for 5) post surgery...

            You get me totally wrong...I love our single payer Medicare system and think it would be a great option for some to use if made available...

            We will never get to $7K because we are better than them and focus not just on life but the quality of life...you want to take away quality of life from some to provide life for others...I want to provide both which costs money...

            The current legislation reduces the rate of increase...that is true and I agree with that incremental goal...

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            by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 09:52:21 AM PDT

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            •  Excuse me? (2+ / 0-)
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              Do you think there should be an age cut-off of under 65 for kidney transplants? Just how far under would you make the cut-off, pray tell?

              I dare you to tell that to my mother. I need one. Tell her that you don't feel like paying for it and that my life has a financial expiration date.

              Living kidney donor needed; type B, O, or incompatible (with paired donation). Drop me a note (see profile).

              by Kitsap River on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 01:34:37 PM PDT

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          •  This is a silly statement...and totally untrue... (0+ / 0-)

            The "multiple levels of care based upon income level" is obscene.

            All countries with "single payer" and other similar setups all have programs for those who can afford additional premiums to obtain higher level medical care than those who have limited means...

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            by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 09:53:56 AM PDT

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          •  Anyone who argues against... (0+ / 0-)

            ..."government run" healthcare is tacitly saying that the Veterans Administration hospitals should all be privitized.  But despite so many people carping against "government run" healthcare, only some in the Tea Party advocate for abolishing the VA as it stands now.  If we're willing to give something to our veterans, shouldn't we be willing to give it to the rest of our country too?

            •  And nobody is saying that... (0+ / 0-)

              we should end government run healthcare...some are saying it should not be the only option...like my Dad who gets VA but also has access to doctors outside the VA for care he does not want to wait 3 months for an appointment...

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              by dvogel001 on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 11:58:31 AM PDT

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        •  what it is with your fascination with precious (0+ / 0-)

          metals to describe health insurance?

          government 'run' health insurance does not preclude the existence of private insurance. what do you think the gov't is going to make it illegal to sell and buy private insurance?

          Frankly, I do not want the only solution to be a government run insurance program, because if they make choices that I disagree with then I want the choice to get private insurance

          you work for an insurance compa y don't you

        •  This reminds me of.... (0+ / 0-)

          a properly regulated health insurance industry can be part of the solution...

          This reminds me of...
          "A Big Mac can be part of a well-balanced diet". In other words, you can still eat a relatively well-balanced diet in spite of the fact that on occasion you eat 800 toxic calories.
          It is possible to get decent health care under our system, in spite of the fact that we are shovelling health care dollars toward waste, fraud, abuse, and profit.
          That doesn't mean we wouldn't be better off without the insurance company, as well as the Big Mac.    

          To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

          by kareylou on Mon Oct 11, 2010 at 02:04:27 PM PDT

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          •  Respectfully... (0+ / 0-)

            your analogy sucks in so many ways...

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            by dvogel001 on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 11:37:38 AM PDT

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            •  Truthfully.... (1+ / 0-)
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              Your subject line contradicts your text. How very discourteous.

              To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate, that is strength undefeatable--Helen Keller

              by kareylou on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 08:55:32 PM PDT

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