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  •  Oh, I'm sorry, I had been under the ... (5+ / 0-)

    ... impression you had read the diary.

    Clearly, if you say,

    People aren't going to leave their desired suburban lifestyles and crowd into cities due to the cost of oil.

    ... you have not read the diary, which nowhere mentions everyone abandoning suburbia and crowding into crowded urban areas as an option.

    Rather, you seem to have pigeonholed the diary into a position for which you have a standard set of talking points.

    A private electric vehicle is more polluting than a private gas-powered vehicle for the 95% of the day that it is sitting occupied a parking spot ... and in many cases, occupying a parking spot provided by zoning mandate rather than one provided by free choice of the property owner.

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    by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:43:38 PM PDT

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    •  Was I talking to you? (0+ / 0-)

      But as long as you have butted in - how do you figure that a EV is more polluting than an ICE while sitting in a parking space?

      "They were overwhelmed by the learned ignorance, the accepted say-so of the times." Teale

      by BobTrips on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:48:08 PM PDT

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      •  And - in your diary you did say... (0+ / 0-)

        When, not if, gas returns to $4/gallon in real terms (corrected for inflation), that will be about one hour's minimum wage work for two gallons of gas. When, not if, it reaches $8/gallon in real terms, that will be about one hour's of minimum wage work for one gallon of gasoline.

        People who cannot afford to get to work, shopping, school and other activities from a house cannot afford to live in that house, even if the house were to be given to them for free.

        And that is the other side of the Sustaining the Suburbs dilemma: the Hard Place of escalating Resident+Transport costs.

        Perhaps you forgot that?

        "They were overwhelmed by the learned ignorance, the accepted say-so of the times." Teale

        by BobTrips on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 05:52:03 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, I said that. (5+ / 0-)

          How do you get from there to reading the policy described in the diary, which LaughingPlanet agrees with in the comment you reply to, as talking about people leaving:

          their desired suburban lifestyles and crowd into cities due to the cost of oil.

          Its like you hit the part where it says:

          I do not come, in other words, to Bury the Suburbs, but to Save Them. Sprawl Development ~ yes, that can be buried. But the material waste of abandoning the suburbs and building all new residences for half of the US population is something that we can most definitely avoid.

          ... and it just does not compute for you and so you ignore it and pretend that the diary is about abandoning the suburbs.

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          by BruceMcF on Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 06:31:46 PM PDT

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