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  •  I disagree. The 4th Amendment should not be (0+ / 0-)

    applied in school districts, like it's applied in the criminal justice system.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:15:32 AM PDT

    •  Why? What's the rationale for the difference? (4+ / 0-)

      "Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win." Lazarus Long

      by rfall on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:25:15 AM PDT

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    •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

      - It's beyond ironic that ophthalmologist Rand Paul is so myopic

      by second gen on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:25:30 AM PDT

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      •  Because students are minors and the school (0+ / 0-)

        district is held responsible for their well being.  If we take this idea to extremes, a student could store a gun in his locker with impunity (a more traditional 4th Amendment situation).  This also begs the question, since students have 4th Amendment rights, do they have 2nd Amendment rights as well?

        "Because I am a river to my people."

        by lordcopper on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:29:49 AM PDT

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        •  You're taking it further than is realistic. (3+ / 0-)
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          Guns are legally banned from school property already. Legal age of gun ownership is 18, which makes them no longer a minor. And yes, at 18, they'd have second amendment rights, but no legal right to have a gun on school property.

          - It's beyond ironic that ophthalmologist Rand Paul is so myopic

          by second gen on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:34:00 AM PDT

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        •  A locker is not student property.. (6+ / 0-)

          A locker isn't student property, it is school district property, and thus subject to search.

          A laptop owned by the school district is subjected to random, unfettered search, as many districts already do.

          A cell phone owned by the school and loaned to the student would be subject to the same search.

          A gun presents an immediate danger. I highly doubt that a student's text messages can even come close to presenting the same danger as a weapon.

          I would say the 4th amendment is logically applied when it prevents searches of information/data owned by, or on devices owned by students.

          It is curious to see the periodical disuse and perishing of means and machinery, which were introduced with loud laudation a few years or centuries before. -RWE

          by Gravedugger on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:35:51 AM PDT

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          •  so the JROTC shouldn't have (0+ / 0-)

            live-fire ranges located on school grounds?

            We've become addicted to not thinking.

            Not thinking that maybe a kid who's got a rifle in the back window of the pickup isn't planning on going Columbine.

            Not thinking that a kid with a penknife in his jeans pocket -- especially when he's 18 already -- isn't an obvious threat to the entire school (especially since they didn't confiscate his keys, at least 2 of which were effectively larger serrated blades than the penknife in question; yeah, it was my kid, and yeah, I showed up in the principle's office with my Old Timer on my belt right next to my Leatherman and cell phone -- and so did his dad).

            We've become addicted to fear. It's sad.

            LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

            by BlackSheep1 on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 12:50:30 PM PDT

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    •  Then you disagree with the Supreme Court nt (4+ / 0-)

      Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

      by leftover on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 10:27:06 AM PDT

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