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  •  I will defend the right to burn any religious tex (11+ / 0-)

    and the protest to the death the act of doing it.  

    Both are first amendment rights.  The burning is just stupid and antagonistic with no good coming of it.

    After the Republicans burn down the world, they will prove the Democrats did it.

    by jimraff on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 07:04:28 PM PDT

    •  Greenwald has a good point about this, too, (1+ / 0-)
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      that the tut-tutting from Petraeus is a bad dynamic. Squelching dialog in the name of national security is not cool, no matter how stupid the dialog.

      Furthermore, I don't remember who, but someone mentioned that the collective Muslim response to the Koran-burning stunt is “meh” — people can do anything in America, and it's just one nutjob. The craziness over Park51 is much more disturbing (as well it should be).

      Formerly known as Jyrinx.

      “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” ― Emma Goldman

      by Code Monkey on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 07:11:50 PM PDT

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      •  Well... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...the reaction is "meh" here, maybe, but hardly the global response:

        Thousands of Muslims around the world have taken to the streets to protest against threats by an obscure pastor in the United States to burn copies of the Quran on the ninth anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the US.

        Demonstrations have erupted in countries including Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Indonesia and the Palestinian territories, despite the church in question saying it would not go ahead with the plan.

        In Afghanistan, at least one person was reported to have been killed in clashes with security forces as an angry crowd attacked a Nato base in the northern province of Badakshan.

        Courtesy Al Jazeera.

        "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

        by Alec82 on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 07:49:20 PM PDT

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      •  Burning books is dialog? (1+ / 0-)
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        He didn't tell him he couldn't do it.  He said it would have negative consequences.  

        •  Yes, absolutely. Which is why (0+ / 0-)

          the First Amendment protects it.

          Also, “nobody's telling” the Cordoba Project they can't build a mosque near Ground Zero (at least that's the official party line). It's a pretty empty qualifier, akin to “I'm not angry, I'm just saying.”

          Formerly known as Jyrinx.

          “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” ― Emma Goldman

          by Code Monkey on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:08:09 PM PDT

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      •  Requesting that stupid people not engage in (4+ / 0-)
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        stupid behavior, despite whatever rights are granted to them, because their stupid behavior endangers other people is not "squelching dialog in the name of national security."

        It's asking stupid people to not engage in stupid behavior.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 08:28:29 PM PDT

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        •  There was a time when protesting the war (0+ / 0-)

          was seen as a “stupid behavior” that should be stopped in the name of national security.

          Besides, it's really cute for the Pentagon to suddenly start caring about what endangers the troops. Anytime they trot out that line, they're usually being disingenuous. After all, I doubt that the burning will cause as many people to turn to terrorism as a single drone strike.

          Formerly known as Jyrinx.

          “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” ― Emma Goldman

          by Code Monkey on Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 09:12:31 PM PDT

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          •  Stupid is as stupid does. (0+ / 0-)

            I don't believe in "squelching" speech. I do believe in calling people out for the consequences of their behavior. Especially stupid behavior.

            In the short term, for citizens at home to protest against any given war probably isn't in the soldiers' best interest. That's a responsibility the protesters accept, because they believe that the war itself isn't in the soldiers' best interest -- and even if it were, there are other interests of greater significance. Contrasting that to some hatemongering publicity-hound who wants to burn Korans in order to ... well ... what, exactly? ... doesn't meet my analogy threshold.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 10:53:43 AM PDT

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