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    Have you ever even lived in Washington State? Do you live there now? Is Patty Murray your senator? Have you ever met her?

    Yes, for most of the last 18 years. Yes,in Redmond. Yes, see above. Yes, briefly in 1998, when I volunteered for a function at WSU in support of her re-election campaign.

    As for the comment that "there's always someone like you on a thread", well I should certainly hope so! Openly discussing a politician's voting record and public statements when they come up for re-election is not "cynicism". It should be normative.

    And again, if you want to vote for her, that's fine. She certainly wrote a thoughtful note to the diarist, she did good work on Wild Sky, Handford, and veteran's issues.

    But if we are going to vote for Patty Murray, let's be honest about who we are voting for. And that means acknowledging her votes to keep credit card rates high, drug prices high, cut spending on infrastructure, and feign support for the public option. Vote for the real Patty Murray-as witnessed through her voting record and public statements-not some vague brand created by campaign consultants.

    That's all I'm asking!

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    by Zach in Phoenix on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 03:01:51 PM PDT

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    •  Cite which votes you're talking about Zach (1+ / 0-)
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      So that people can look them up. Back up your claims. As another progressive I know said this week, facts are open to interpretation.

      I question your interpretation.

      By the way, you can't prove your assertion that Murray "feign[ed] support for the public option." So you might as well stop throwing that in there.

      •  Oh, God I've done that so many times (0+ / 0-)

        give me a minute to look up her votes on usury in Thomas.

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        by Zach in Phoenix on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 03:21:47 PM PDT

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      •  OK, here we go (0+ / 0-)

        this is an excerpt from a comment I made a few weeks back; it won't let me blockquote it for some reason, let's see if the links to Thomas still work...

        "High credit card rates victimize people who sometimes are forced to rely on them for "income": the poor, people who have health issues, college students who can't string together tuition and living expenses, etc. And sky-high interest rates impact not just those folks but all of us because they dilute purchasing power: money that would be in your wallet is instead commandeered to pay off interest for Wall Street banks. Mulitply that by millions of cardholders, and that has an impact on consumption and the overall economy.

        The bill I mention above was by Sheldon Whitehouse; which itself was a compromise bill to the one by Bernie Sanders of VT, which would have simply capped all rates at a universal 14.9%. Murray voted against the Sanders bill, via a procedural measure, as noted here:

        It was when that bill went down, that Whitehouse then offered this second bill, hoping that by allowing flexibility for each state to set its own cap, that this would win votes like that of Murray's. It didn't. Although the Whitehouse compromise bill made it to the Senate floor for a full vote, Murray voted against it too.

        Now, in regards to her cutting spending on infrastructure, you can refer to today's Seattle Times, both in the article, and in her comments in the first two minutes of the associated video. I put the link to that in a comment above, but the article is on the front page of the Times as well.

        Her vote against opening up drug re-importation is well known...I don't have the link to that in Thomas any more.

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        by Zach in Phoenix on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 03:30:56 PM PDT

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        •  Whoops! (0+ / 0-)

          Ok, let's try it again with the links:

          Sanders Bill

          Whitehouse Bill

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          by Zach in Phoenix on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 03:35:15 PM PDT

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          •  Now for the rest of the story. (1+ / 0-)
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            The House passed a bill H.R. 627, (Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights Act of 2009 ) which then went to the Senate and passed.


            As you can see both Cantwell and Murray voted yea on the bill. And as far as I know it's now law.

            As you can see from the rollcall above it was on an amendment to that same bill. Now I can probably guess why people didn't vote for the amendments but I don't know for sure. What I do know for sure is that I'm not going to second guess my Senator.

            It's so easy to look at something like this without looking at the history and make up your mind about something. But for pete's sake we have all the info at our go look.

            And here's a link to a decent article on the bill.

            •  You are not citing (0+ / 0-)

              either of the two votes over whether/how to ban usury. That is what I cited; that is one of the issues that I have highlited this afternoon.

              Again, as I spelled out above, the Sanders Bill would have capped interest rates at roughly 14%.

              Murray voted against it.

              The bill by Sheldon Whitehouse was a compromise bill that would have enabled each state to set its own cap on credit cards rates.

              Murray voted against the compromise bill as well.

              What you cited was a bill that also talks about credit cards, but that is where the similarity ends. An analagous example would be if I were to talk about a bill regarding light rail funding, and you would respond by talking about light rail safety. Same general topic of light rail, but I'm not sure what light rail safety would have to to with light rail funding.

              I would also have to disagree with your statement that

              What I do know for sure is that I'm not going to second guess my Senator.

              Kewalo, that's your job. It is our obligation as citizens to try and stay informed, and to make sure our politicians are representing us. Hey, it's tough to stay on top of all this, isn't it?! I know it is a challenge I face as well, so I can commisserate with you.

              But that is one of the obligations that goes with democracy, and the whole point of our discussion this afternoon. We should know who we're voting for, and hold them accountable. And we're not doing that when A) we don't know how they voted, or B) we're not pushing them to clearly define their positions on the issues. Instead, we often base our vote on a brand that may or may not be accurate, or in reaction to whatever we consider to be the "out group".

              I believe my point has been amply proved by many of the comments on this thread.

              Thanks for the exchange this afternoon! Have a great weekend.

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              by Zach in Phoenix on Sat Sep 11, 2010 at 08:48:29 PM PDT

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        •  These were NOT bills (0+ / 0-)

          They were amendments to the Credit Cardholders' Bill of Rights Act of 2009 that had already been passed.

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