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  •  Nah, its up to you now to provide links support (1+ / 0-)
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    2laneIA

    your rw arguments. Waiting for those links please, to show support for your opinion.

    •  my *rw* arguments? that's funny. (1+ / 0-)
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      If you had asked nicely, I'd happily give you the link to the Rivlin blog. Instead, you can go to your comments section and Parent up to 2laneIA's post to me with all the links. Rivlin's piece is linked near the top of the Eskow disaster. Rivlin's piece is long and needs reading to conclusion.

      Or you can do a web search yourself. Either way, it's far better to read original writing and make up your own mind than to accept Hamsher's second hand blather as truth.

      Hope you enjoy yourself.

      Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

      by SoCalSal on Tue Sep 14, 2010 at 10:56:02 AM PDT

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      •  Ok, I do apologize. However, IMHO you really (1+ / 0-)
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        have made no strong case, just speculation and wishful thinking.

        Whereas the diarist has done his homework and has his experience in a face to face with a senior Democratic Party advisor.

        •  I made no criticism of the diarist or diary. (2+ / 0-)
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          And I think it's great that he took the opportunity to speak with Plouffe and is active with OFA, then diaried his experience.

          I criticize Hamsher. The diarist and I are discussing members of the fiscal commission. The diarist didn't get any insights on commission members from Plouffe.

          I do my own homework, and my homework tells me that Hamsher's writing is wrong. Anyone can get Spratt's bio and voting record, find the Blue Dog roster, and the ARA ratings. Hamsher didn't do that. BTW, ontheissues.org is a valuable resource. Spratt is ranked as anti-business by the Chamber of Commerce, I didn't mention that.

          Rivlin's blog is here. I hope you read the entire memo and make up your own mind.

          Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

          by SoCalSal on Tue Sep 14, 2010 at 11:41:50 AM PDT

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          •  Will do thks for sharing the links! (2+ / 0-)
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            2laneIA, SoCalSal

            Now I have homework  so I will have a better grip on your point of view.

            My skepticism over the intentions of the Obama Admin and the Dem Leadership existed before this diary, and after the Transparency President made closed door deals with Big Pharma hospitals I want to see more than just nice speeches.

            BTW, though Jane herself is not my favorite,  I don't accept the wholesale rejection of FDL as some do here, and see FDL as a valuable addition to blogdom, even when I disagree.

          •  Homework done. Still not seeing it though.. (2+ / 0-)
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            Rifkin says, among other things:

            Many insist that Social Security, because of its separate funding, plays no part in projected federal deficits (also wrong), and therefore should be exempt from the deficit-cutting exercise.

            The 'friends' he alludes to are mostly of a certain political stripe it appears.

            Nice job of folksy writing as 'perception management.'

            Perhapshe/she not Brookings conservative in residence, but its clear to me that is part of the deficit 'must be cut' and 'lets cut entitlements and help the markets' set who write as if to promote fairness and economic strength. Fail.

            In this piece he promotes several of the 5 myths of Social Security (with footnotes)
            Top 5 Social Security Myths

            Rumors of Social Security's demise are greatly exaggerated. But some powerful people keep spreading lies about the program to scare people into accepting benefit cuts. Can you check out this list of Social Security myths and share it with your friends, family and coworkers?

            In addition, he is wrongheaded in his emphasis on deficits vis a vis our economic problems and reform--see Galbraith remarks to the Def Commish

            James K. Galbraith, "There Is No Economic Justification for Deficit Reduction":

            Thanks for contributing to the dialogue at Dkos.

            •  It's Alice Rivlin ;-) (2+ / 0-)
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              and she has been pushing for deficit reduction for years.

              Can't write more now, out of time, gotta run. If okay with you I might comment tomorrow.Thanks for reading Rivlin's memo.

              Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

              by SoCalSal on Tue Sep 14, 2010 at 01:23:45 PM PDT

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            •  apologies (1+ / 0-)
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              apologies for leaving the conversation yesterday, I had to leave to pick someone up. Now I'm not sure that you'll even see this reply.

              Alice Rivlin was CBO director in the Clinton administration and she probably has a sense of ownership in the deficit reduction accomplished during those years. She's a centrist Democrat who has been hawkish about deficits throughout her long career. I'm not attempting to start a Rivlin fan club, just want to put her beliefs in some context.

              Alice Rivlin served as the founding director of the Congressional Budget Office, as director of the Office of Management and Budget, as vice-chair of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, and as chair of the District of Columbia Control Board. She is currently a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and is director of the Greater Washington Research Program. She is the author or editor of several books, including Systematic Thinking for Social Action: H. Rowan Gaither Lectures in Systems Science and Restoring Fiscal Sanity: How to Balance the Budget (co-edited with Isabel V. Sawhill). Her most recent work, co-edited with Joseph R. Antos, is Restoring Fiscal Sanity 2007: The Health Spending Challenge.

              My personal preference would be to improve social safety nets and reduce Pentagon spending and corporate welfare.

              Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

              by SoCalSal on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 01:14:05 PM PDT

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              •  I used to think of her as one of the good (1+ / 0-)
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                "guys."  But she has led a comfortable life surrounded by people who also lead comfortable lives.  That is also her context.  Out here in rural Iowa, there are people who lives their lives in a very different context, and for whom Social Security is truly the safety net.  For her to be grand bargaining around with their welfare so the bond markets won't think we're Greece shows her obliviousness to the reality of what Social Security does.

                We should be lowering the retirement age and expanding benefits.

                •  then we read her differently (1+ / 0-)
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                  which is okay.

                  I read her memo as shooting down proposals to raise the SS age eligibility, and to protect SS in future by making small adjustments now to reduce SS benefits to the wealthy, raise the income cap, possibly increase FICA. I support all of those, don't want SS benefits reduced in 2037 or ever. So make small adjustments now or take a chance on painful adjustments later.

                  And I definitely agree with you on this:

                  We should be lowering the retirement age and expanding benefits.

                  Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person. -Jan Edwards

                  by SoCalSal on Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 03:06:58 PM PDT

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