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  •  I tend to think it was always the same guy. (4.00)
    I mean, he is a windsurfer/hunter/Catholic.

    This wasn't Dukakis in a tank.

    The anti-BCCI, anti-Vietnam, guy is who we got in the general election. The only thing that surprised me about Kerry is that he didn't have the personality to pull it off. I though he would, just based on his accomplishments and character.

    "If cows and horses had hands, they would depict their gods as cows and horses." Xenophanes

    by upstate NY on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 12:29:03 PM PST

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    •  Excellent Summary (none)
      Somehow when I read your post, everything kind of shifted in me. Sometimes I find profundity in even the smallest posts. I have been really really angry at Kerry, but I guess I was pissed at him for being himself, which is kind of pointless. Odd.
      •  He really was consistent. (4.00)
        I backed Kerry from the beginning, shifted to Edwards for a bit, then went back to Kerry. Since I'm more liberal than all the candidates for the nomination (except for Kucinich) I really was looking for a quality guy who I'd be proud to have as Prez, but most of all I wanted a winner. I convinced myself based on all I learned that Kerry could do it. The one thing missing from him was really something that couldn't be written on his resume. And that's a personality. He bored people. He bored people the way Gore bored them. We have had two boring guys run for Prez the last two times around. The Repubs learned from their Dole bore mistake, so they ran a mildly entertaining dunce instead.

        The US is an entertainment society. Kerry committed the biggest sin you could possible make: he didn't entertain them. To quote Ann Richards, he can't help it because he was born that way.

        I read a lot about Kerry's background during the Spring of '03. I learned a lot about his father and his High School days. The stuff about his relationship with his father disturbed me a little. That relationship truly formed everything he became. His father was a diplomat who had very sharp views about American foreign policy. He was a multilateralist during the cold war, and as such he taught his son John about the importance of global relations, as well as the necessity of containing the USSR by all means. Then he sent his son off to boarding school in Switzerland before he was even a teenager. His father was a cold fish.

        If you read anything about Kerry's views on Vietnam while he was at Yale, the very same views that led him to volunteer for that war, and then if you understood his opposition to the Vietnam war was always couched in foreign-policy speak, you will see a consistent line of thought between his Vietnam position and his Iraqi War position. People make the mistake of thinking Kerry's view of Vietnam was your average Jane Fonda run-of-the-mill anti-war stuff. It wasn't. The same thing that led him to volunteer for Vietnam is also what led him to vote for IWR.

        I don't see political expediency in the man, except for perhaps the 80 billion war funding vote. He might have done that for the primary. I don't really know. All I know is that it was stupid (especially since he voted FOR one version of the bill), unecessary, and certainly nothing to brag about ("I voted for it before I voted against it.") Doy. And sigh.

        "If cows and horses had hands, they would depict their gods as cows and horses." Xenophanes

        by upstate NY on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 02:11:23 PM PST

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    •  He's also... (4.00)
      I like to call him the hippy, preppy, biker veteran.

      I suppose we can be forgiven for not knowing what one of those was supposed to look like. It's kind of a unique combination.

      He was blasted for swearing in the Rolling Stone by the Right -- even though he's a damn sailor. So he swears like one.

      He uses words like "man" that don't seem right coming out of his mouth, but after all, he is a child of the Sixties.

      He's alot of different things. I don't know what it is exactly about him that reaches me, but I still support him too.

      As was said in Newsweek by his nephew, those who take the time to get to know him tend to become "intensely loyal."

      He's a good man, and I still hope to see him be president someday. But talk about 2008 only gets in the way. Some people get hung up on who they will support then, and seem to forget to at least support positive action NOW. Support the action, if not the person.

      And since the election, I've liked almost all of the actions Kerry has taken. I will have his back.

    •  I respectfully disagree. (4.00)
      Not once did he ever speak, off the cuff, with the fire and brimstone he had in the 70's. Or even with the fire he showed during the Condi hearings a few weeks back.

      He was too careful, too middle-ground, too lawyer-speak, too delicate. He needed to get all Al Gore on Bush's ass, but instead he tried to be the fatherly old guy in the red cardigan and slippers that we could all trust.

      If Kerry had been Kerry (and maybe, I dunno, not run away when the heat was on), then the bashing would be unjustified. But as it stands, a lot of people feel very let down - not by the loss, but by the way we lost.

      By all means, stay true to your guy. But understand when others, who are still feeling the bite from Kerry's middle-o-the-night concession, mutter their ouches loudly.

      SANTORUM: 1. Frothy mix of lube and fecal matter, a byproduct of anal sex. 2. Senator from Pennsylvania.

      by HollywoodOz on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 04:40:33 PM PST

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      •  Middle-of-the-right? (none)
        Are you talking about his policies? Or the fact he didn't go "Al Gore?" as you put it.

        The Kerry I saw in front of the Senate in the 70s and giving a speech at the mall was as measured as the one we saw this time around. did you see him give that speech in Madison with the Boss?  

        Seriously, he was pretty, well, crusty even in his 20s. I mean, who says Jenjis Khan? I still say he was the same exact man. Same policies. I've yet to see anyone in this thread get specific about the changes in John Kerry. What changes specifically?

        "If cows and horses had hands, they would depict their gods as cows and horses." Xenophanes

        by upstate NY on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 11:12:43 PM PST

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    •  Maybe not a personality problem? (none)
      I was ready to love Kerry when he knocked off the primaries.  I mean, I was so there.  But as the summer wore on I became ambivolent.   He seemed  so... ordinary.  I yearned for extraordinary.

      Then I saw him in the first debate and I could not take my eyes off him.  He was vibrant, he was intelligent, he was confident, and he was clearly whipping the hell out of that smirking little chimp.  The contrast between Bush and Kerry was never so clear. Kerry knew what he was talking about...  he wasn't citing talking points.  That was the night I moved beyond ABB.  

      Kerry's personality might not have been the problem.  Unlike Bush, Kerry seemed to respond well to  challenge...  like it brought out the fighter instinct.   Maybe the real problem was only a failure to showcase him in the kind of situations that let him shine.

      Gonna take hard work. Gonna have to work hard.

      by AriesMoon on Fri Feb 04, 2005 at 09:54:56 PM PST

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