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  •  Not all LGBs are tolerant. (8+ / 0-)

    Let's not forget the trans-inclusion battle at the (90% lesbian) Michigan Womyn's Music Festival.  If you ever want to read anti-trans hate speech, just go to their "Female identity and gender politics" section at their forum and start reading (random example).  And it gets a lot worse than that.

    •  Yes I had... (9+ / 0-)

      ...many disagreements with radical feminists over that decision.  There was a...I hesitate to say clique, but for all intents and purposes that's what it was, in undergrad that saw nothing wrong with the "womyn born womyn" nonsense, or how illiberal it was.  Like many members of the New Left who romanticize both their victim status and "oppression narratives," they came to support an illiberal position on the basis of identity politics.  Something all liberals should be on guard for.  

      "All along the watchtower, princes kept the view..."

      by Alec82 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 01:57:15 PM PDT

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    •  This is true (3+ / 0-)
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      Strangely, I'm a straight guy who spends some time coordinating protection for refugees with LGBTI organizations.  The politics and internal fighting between LGBTI activists is sometimes really vicious and it is sad to see - seems like a chronic problem.  I guess my comment was more about just plain interpersonal relations. The folks I work with can be very nasty to each other when it comes to their activism, but otherwise are almost unfailingly generous, open and kind outside of these internal battles. But oppression can distort people sometimes and there's no doubt that LGBTI persons in the Middle East and to a lesser extent in the US are oppressed.  It's hardly surprising when there are conflicts over strategy and tactics - the LGB folks you refer to want to be accepted and mainstream more than anything, and some of them no doubt perceive the T, Q, I, etc as threatening to achieving that mainstream acceptance.  I'm a little less oppressed and a little more removed, and sometimes these battles seem unnecessarily harsh.  But I can't really fault people for some of these reactions on either side.

      "Die Stimme der Vernuft ist leise." (The voice of reason is soft)

      by ivorybill on Fri Sep 17, 2010 at 03:12:17 PM PDT

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